Website Seller's Remorse

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I just wanted to share one of my experiences with selling established websites. If you guys are interested, I can also talk about downsides of some of my other transactions later.

First of all, it's not that I am huge flipper, but I've sold several e-commerce stores (Shopify) and authority sites. Most of them transacted smoothly, but some sales left a bitter aftertaste. I am going to talk about one of such sales below.

I used to run a website about Electronic Dance Music. I spotted the trend early on and started the site in 2013 when EDM was 2-3 years away from its peak in the U.S. The site was doing great. I was getting press and VIP passes to all kinds of events and I was making a few bucks selling event tickets through affiliate links. It also ranked on Google like a MF'er. If you Googled something like "Diplo in [City Name]", "EDM Events in [City Name]", "Tiesto Bio", etc you would see my site in one of the 3 results. So, I was running this site for 1+ years, but at some point I've decided that the site was too location specific (it even had a name of the biggest city in the area as part of the domain name). It was really tailored to the audience in just one U.S. state, so I decided to move on to create something bigger and ended up selling my site to somebody from one of the European countries which seemed odd since they clearly weren't experts on the music industry in my area. Anyways, it was the cleanest translation ever and I had nothing to complain baout: I got the payment right away, no questions were ask, the buyer was polite and patient.

Here is the rub though: The site had huge money making potential and I thought that the new owner was going to take advantage of it. However, since the day the site changed hands 3 years ago, the new owner hasn't added a single new piece of content to the site. The site is still live, there are Google Ads, and affiliate links, so I guess the new owner is still making a few bucks on a monthly basis. But he hasn't even replaced my Google Analytics tracking code! So, I can see stats for the site and I can tell that traffic levels to the site have been declining constantly over last 3 years because no one is adding new contest and there is no reason for people to come back to the site after they visited it once...

At some point a couple of years ago, I tried to contact the owner to see if he would be interested in selling the site back to me, but but he declined my offer. I really have no idea why he needs it, but he seems to just be sitting on it without reaping the benefits of my prior hard work to make the site rank on Google and Bing and establish relationships with promoters, publishes, and musicians.

P.S. My second EDM site was a success too. When I started my 2nd EDM site my goal was not to make money, but to build a reputation in the industry in order to be able to connect with some of the most successful people (artists). In less than a year I was able to have a meeting to discuss things with one of the most popular (and in my mind the most reputable) DJ/producer in the world. Eventually, I outgrew the whole EDM thing, so I have very little to do with it right now, but this particular experience taught me 2 important lessons: 1. Always have a clear ultimate goal and be passionate about reaching it. 2. Spot the trend early on if you looking for your venture to grow fast.
 
I just wanted to share one of my experiences with selling established websites. If you guys are interested, I can also talk about downsides of some of my other transactions later.

First of all, it's not that I am huge flipper, but I've sold several e-commerce stores (Shopify) and authority sites. Most of them transacted smoothly, but some sales left a bitter aftertaste. I am going to talk about one of such sales below.

I used to run a website about Electronic Dance Music. I spotted the trend early on and started the site in 2013 when EDM was 2-3 years away from its peak in the U.S. The site was doing great. I was getting press and VIP passes to all kinds of events and I was making a few bucks selling event tickets through affiliate links. It also ranked on Google like a MF'er. If you Googled something like "Diplo in [City Name]", "EDM Events in [City Name]", "Tiesto Bio", etc you would see my site in one of the 3 results. So, I was running this site for 1+ years, but at some point I've decided that the site was too location specific (it even had a name of the biggest city in the area as part of the domain name). It was really tailored to the audience in just one U.S. state, so I decided to move on to create something bigger and ended up selling my site to somebody from one of the European countries which seemed odd since they clearly weren't experts on the music industry in my area. Anyways, it was the cleanest translation ever and I had nothing to complain baout: I got the payment right away, no questions were ask, the buyer was polite and patient.

Here is the rub though: The site had huge money making potential and I thought that the new owner was going to take advantage of it. However, since the day the site changed hands 3 years ago, the new owner hasn't added a single new piece of content to the site. The site is still live, there are Google Ads, and affiliate links, so I guess the new owner is still making a few bucks on a monthly basis. But he hasn't even replaced my Google Analytics tracking code! So, I can see stats for the site and I can tell that traffic levels to the site have been declining constantly over last 3 years because no one is adding new contest and there is no reason for people to come back to the site after they visited it once...

At some point a couple of years ago, I tried to contact the owner to see if he would be interested in selling the site back to me, but but he declined my offer. I really have no idea why he needs it, but he seems to just be sitting on it without reaping the benefits of my prior hard work to make the site rank on Google and Bing and establish relationships with promoters, publishes, and musicians.

P.S. My second EDM site was a success too. When I started my 2nd EDM site my goal was not to make money, but to build a reputation in the industry in order to be able to connect with some of the most successful people (artists). In less than a year I was able to have a meeting to discuss things with one of the most popular (and in my mind the most reputable) DJ/producer in the world. Eventually, I outgrew the whole EDM thing, so I have very little to do with it right now, but this particular experience taught me 2 important lessons: 1. Always have a clear ultimate goal and be passionate about reaching it. 2. Spot the trend early on if you looking for your venture to grow fast.
Did you happen to met Diplo by any chance?
 
Did you happen to met Diplo by any chance?

Diplo has always been on my sh*t list :) he's got some good music, but I don't like his personality. So, the answer is no :)
 
I have had seen such cases. A friend of mine sold a site for $4000 or so in 2012. The buyer made it an automated site with spin content. Sometimes, strange things do happen.
 
I had a domain I bought in 1996 from the time when only Network Solutions sold .com, it was short and single high value kw dot com. I could probably rake in over a 100k for it later on. Sold it for like $2000 thinking I made a great deal. Never looked back though, I only recalled this because of your thread.
 
I had a site a sold a couple years ago that was doing pretty well. The new seller tried adding some content to the site, but apparently he didn't understand the niche at all & made the site worse. His goal was to grow the site 2x, which was very doable IMO, I was just tired AF of that site & Amazon just cut the commissions in half so I was salty, but he barely ended up keeping the profit the same.

A year later he sold it for less than what he bought it for, so while he might've profited $1-3k due to the monthly income, that's not a lot for the hassle of buying, trying to improve it, and then dealing with the selling process.
 
That's a hard then to do when you sell a site or business you have. There is two ways it can really go. One you feel great as you are out from that stress. Or two you fill like crap really so if the new owner starts changing things around that you don't feel where in the best interest of your clients.

Same thing goes for bringing on a partner. Sometimes it works out sometimes it can be a pain in the ass and something you wished you never had done.
 
I have sold domin in the pass and know could of fetched millions easly .

I was into domain selling in the good old days long time back ,

i dont kick my self just push foward .
 
Back in 2003 i ran this popular niche hobby related photo sharing website and community. It was a passion project of mine while in college, and a good money maker. Not crazy money, but $1k a month, which in college at the time was a fortune. lol. Anyways, i needed a large cash infusion for something else and sold the site. The new owner took over and from day 1 he trashed the site. Instead of just adsense, he had pop ups, pop unders, ads injecting java, etc... He also changed the design and layout to something absolutely AWFUL. Some loyal site users emailed me (since they had my personal email from when site first began) and asked WTF. I told them i sold the site and this was the new owners doing. So, the community of people sharing photos and chatting in forums quickly left. Traffic dropped to near 0 from 1 mil visits a month. The new owner charged me back on PayPal saying i scammed him. I explained to paypal and won my case. Luckily, i took screen shots of stats + site layout before i sold, then did screenshots after with all the chaos he did. I won my paypal case. Then, the lowlife charged back his credit card and then another fight ensued. Credit Card company didn't understand website flipping and found it in his favor. He was allowed to keep the website + domain and I had to repay $7500. I was pissed!!!!!

Another similar story about 10 years later... I had a popular viral website that was generating a lot of revenue organically (SEO + SM). I sold the site and the new owner took possession. Same story with ads. Redesigned site right away and did all these pop up, pop under, video, java download ads and scared away the userbase. Even google marked the site as "visit at your own risk", which caused traffic to plummet. After 1 month the guy filed a paypal complaint. I showed them my screenshots and won.

Lesson learned. When selling a website, make sure buyer knows that the site is AS-IS and any changes they make to it are on them and not your responsibility.
 
"Lesson learned. When selling a website, make sure buyer knows that the site is AS-IS and any changes they make to it are on them and not your responsibility."

I agree, that should be placed squarely on the bidding page, all writeup, etc., especially on sites such as Flippa.
 
Inspiring and educating story. Thanks for sharing it mate.
 
One more personal experience. When Fidget Spinners were super hot, I had a pretty successful Shopify site that I used for to Dropship and resell spinners. I worked with amazing suppliers from China who had very unique and quality products. Anyways, I obviously didn't have any passion for fidget spinners and I wasn't really excited about the product. So, i decided to sell the site for ~ $2K even though I was making about $1K per months with 50% profit margin.

The buyer was a woman from one of the east coast states and she seemed kinda legit at the time. We agreed that she would send me a 50% deposit, I will transfer the site to her before I get the rest of my money. Needless to say, after transferring the site and domain to her, I've never received the second deposit. She ran the whole thing into the ground. I don't think she made a single sale even though I had multiple sales on a daily basis...
 
One more personal experience. When Fidget Spinners were super hot, I had a pretty successful Shopify site that I used for to Dropship and resell spinners. I worked with amazing suppliers from China who had very unique and quality products. Anyways, I obviously didn't have any passion for fidget spinners and I wasn't really excited about the product. So, i decided to sell the site for ~ $2K even though I was making about $1K per months with 50% profit margin.

The buyer was a woman from one of the east coast states and she seemed kinda legit at the time. We agreed that she would send me a 50% deposit, I will transfer the site to her before I get the rest of my money. Needless to say, after transferring the site and domain to her, I've never received the second deposit. She ran the whole thing into the ground. I don't think she made a single sale even though I had multiple sales on a daily basis...

That sucks that it happened to you.. On the other hand Karma bit her in the ass, so there is hope. lol
 
That sucks that it happened to you.. On the other hand Karma bit her in the ass, so there is hope. lol

Yea she was also doing some sketchy stuff. While I still had access to my account I found out that we was invoicing people for 100's of dollars ... I have no idea what that was about .....
 
Reminds me of all the horrible deals I had in the past. Unfortunately for me, I was on the receiving end most of the time. I was sold sites with inflated numbers/fake screenshots and what not. I learnt my lesson the hard way. It's been 3+ years and I have never walked that road. I tried something else and failed there as well. There's so much luck involved in everything in life that I guess you lose in way or the other (whether you are foolish or smart ) (My rant)
 
Possible that the new owner is just making money selling links an ad on the website and it not interested in expanding the website there are tons of people with hundreds of junk websites end of each makes a few dollars a day this all adds up for them
 
Why remorse?

You accepted a deal at the price that you were looking at.
 
My take on this is that once you make a decision to sell a website and you successfully sold it, you should just move on and not bother about what the new owner does it. If you are emotionally attached to a website, you should not consider selling it in the first place. QED!!
 
That's really funny... every site I've sold... I've never checked it or looked at it again...

For some reason I just never thought of that... Might be a good idea to see if the site owner did anything with it (I could contact them and get the site back) or maybe they didn't renew the domain...

Interesting Short Story: I have a site that was making $3000/$4000 a month 3 years ago... I was going to sell it for a neat $60,000 but decided to hold on to it. It has continued to perform. When the Google Medic update hit, my site has SOARED. It's RAPING the SERP's. I'm happy I didn't sell.

Interesting Short Story: I bought a site making $400 a month for $5800. Had to pay an additional $1200 to transfer to Wordpress (it was a plain ass site running from a Windows IIS Server)... I cleaned it up a bit, and put better ads/ad positioning on it. Put an optin-form that went to a leads company in the UK (it was a UK site). Hired a VA to maintain it. It's consistently paid out $400-$500 a month, $600-$800 in 'peak period' which runs for about 4-5months because that's when Autumn/Winter happen and everyone looks for advice on, hires repairs for, and buys new hot water systems etc. It's paid itself back many fold. I thought of selling it, but it's such a prize winner why would I?
 
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