DamageX
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No offense but at $5/500 words I wouldn't waste five hours just to save a few bucks, instead of simply outsourcing it... That's poor man's mentality and probably why most people stay poor.
web 2.o. Should I Use A Unique Article For Each Web 2.o Or Just Spin?
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No offense but at $5/500 words I wouldn't waste five hours just to save a few bucks, instead of simply outsourcing it... That's poor man's mentality and probably why most people stay poor.
hekasis
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Use unique content, but don't spend too much time writing it. I spend around ten minutes writing each post for my web2.0s. Remember these are blog posts and they don't have to be reviews of the product.
If your keyword is KitchenMasterX then write something like:
"I just bought a KitchenMasterX it is so great... It can kill both apples and tomatoes at the same time, ect..."
Just fill the post with a lot of nonsense. Put in some variations of your keyword a picture and maybe a video. That is all I do.
One more thing don't optimize the post for your keyword, too much. I did that and some of my Web2.0s started to out rank my main site.
Hope it makes sense.
If your keyword is KitchenMasterX then write something like:
"I just bought a KitchenMasterX it is so great... It can kill both apples and tomatoes at the same time, ect..."
Just fill the post with a lot of nonsense. Put in some variations of your keyword a picture and maybe a video. That is all I do.
One more thing don't optimize the post for your keyword, too much. I did that and some of my Web2.0s started to out rank my main site.
Hope it makes sense.
healzer
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Guys, I don't have SB or xrumer (or any SEO tool),;..
If I just make Web2.0's & post every couple of days unique articles & Spun articles to the Lower tiers,... --> Bookmarking all that with Reddit, Digg, Twitter, etc... Should that create link juice & make my main site rank??
Thanks
If I just make Web2.0's & post every couple of days unique articles & Spun articles to the Lower tiers,... --> Bookmarking all that with Reddit, Digg, Twitter, etc... Should that create link juice & make my main site rank??
Thanks
balsagoth007
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I spend like 1 hour for multi-level spinning but not 5 hours. Not all people outsource the work.
shoaibahmad9999
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Just curious to know 2 things
1- How many times you will use these highly spun articles?
2- Will you post again from the same spun article with another variation to the same Web 2.0 ?
balsagoth007
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Just curious to know 2 things
1- How many times you will use these highly spun articles?
2- Will you post again from the same spun article with another variation to the same Web 2.0 ?
1- I blast the article to article directories in AMR (more then 1000) or post the variations to 10-15 web 2.0.
2- No
efwebs
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If you want to spin things right, it takes several hours of rewriting multiple copies of each paragraph, sentence, and phrase.
The creator of TBS recently put out a request for a writer to "super" spin some article for him. He wanted 5 rewrites for every paragraph, and 5 rewrites for every sentence. Plus spinning words/phrases. That's manually creating the same content over 25 times.
And this is from the guy who made the spinning software and knows how to get the most from it - and he still wants that much time put into rewriting the different layers because he knows his software is only a small part of a larger task.
You can't get to that level in less than 5 hours.
The creator of TBS recently put out a request for a writer to "super" spin some article for him. He wanted 5 rewrites for every paragraph, and 5 rewrites for every sentence. Plus spinning words/phrases. That's manually creating the same content over 25 times.
And this is from the guy who made the spinning software and knows how to get the most from it - and he still wants that much time put into rewriting the different layers because he knows his software is only a small part of a larger task.
You can't get to that level in less than 5 hours.
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I would agree with you.Yet it is quite safe to do 1 level spining if you submit to less web 2.0's lets say 30-50.
For more as you say there would be problem in getting indexed. For lets say 200+ google may pickup this as spam. Like when you use AMR and blast articles to 1000's directories. Additional problem with AMR is the same author name but this has been changed now.
Ranko Jones
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albaniax = mega fail.
Simply for the fact I could spend several hours writing UNIQUE content instead of spinning which tells me you have no idea of how to prioritize your time which makes you a mega fail.
MY TEACHER TOLD ME SO I PWNZ YOU ALL!!!
But I must be a bigger failure because I make no money from IM yet booohoo!
Simply for the fact I could spend several hours writing UNIQUE content instead of spinning which tells me you have no idea of how to prioritize your time which makes you a mega fail.
MY TEACHER TOLD ME SO I PWNZ YOU ALL!!!
But I must be a bigger failure because I make no money from IM yet booohoo!
warriorkarl
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its right, good spinning = good time invest! so iam looking for a good outsourcing ...
efwebs
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albaniax = mega fail.
Simply for the fact I could spend several hours writing UNIQUE content instead of spinning which tells me you have no idea of how to prioritize your time which makes you a mega fail.
MY TEACHER TOLD ME SO I PWNZ YOU ALL!!!
But I must be a bigger failure because I make no money from IM yet booohoo!
But with his quality spun article he can use it in infinitely many places now and get away with it, and you just have a handful of articles. That's great if you are just posting in your site, but not if you want to get links from all over the web.
That's the point of putting that much time into it and adding multiple spun levels. You don't just get spun garbage, you get unique content from every spin.
Expertpeon
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We discussed this in a PM, and this information is exactly correct.
4-5 hours is my average time, and I'm extremely proficient at spinning.
Expertpeon
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albaniax = mega fail.
Simply for the fact I could spend several hours writing UNIQUE content instead of spinning which tells me you have no idea of how to prioritize your time which makes you a mega fail.
MY TEACHER TOLD ME SO I PWNZ YOU ALL!!!
But I must be a bigger failure because I make no money from IM yet booohoo!
You're totally wrong about this, but I seriously do not feel like enlightening you.
Safe? safe how? will you be deindexed? no, but you cannot just go blasting crappy level 1 spinning (unreadable kinds especially) through AMR for your link pyramid.
I've tested this myself on several domains and extremely well spun content always outperforms and outlasts mediocre spinning.
High level content also yields referrers, which stabilizes your positions.
That's how I keep #1 positions with NO additional upkeep work (even for keywords with >150k exact searches per month)
If this isn't worth it to you, well......
extremely competitive keywords (highest competition, 150k-300k exact searches per month etc in google's tool) can be taken over with 5-9 campaigns with extremely well spun content. I highly, highly doubt you could do it in 15 campaigns with level 1 spun crap.
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Duckyshucky
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To OP,
Just spin it. As long as it is readable and passes copyscape it really doesn't matter. Though if you are really worried about it (you shouldn't be) just pay an article writer $5 for some original content. GL though, you will probably get spun content anyway
I generally spend about an hour spinning a 400-500 word article. After I'm done it is readable and fluid though. Totally passable as original content and copyscape passed. Starting out with a program like TBS it will take you a bit to learn the program but after that it's easy street.
Cheers
Just spin it. As long as it is readable and passes copyscape it really doesn't matter. Though if you are really worried about it (you shouldn't be) just pay an article writer $5 for some original content. GL though, you will probably get spun content anyway
I generally spend about an hour spinning a 400-500 word article. After I'm done it is readable and fluid though. Totally passable as original content and copyscape passed. Starting out with a program like TBS it will take you a bit to learn the program but after that it's easy street.
Cheers
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To how many sites are you submitting ? I mean 1 campaign may be submit to all 1000 article directories AMR and 50 web 2.0 properties. I suppose you do that 10 times and you get ranked for these tough terms. Do you backlinks these article/properties with scrapebox and another AMR blast?
Do you make any other kind of backlinks. Because i have been doing in the past AMR blast's with paragraph and sentence as well word level spinning and i didn't found any improvements in ranking. Actually few sites were penalized and totally destroyed. This is why said safe. Yes sites may be penalized for poorly spun content (it is kind of spam).
So i now do not do more that 5-10 web 2.0 properties and i do not use AMR at all. I have tried to submit to just high pr AMR directories only but that wasn't improved my ranking at all.
One thing i tested carefully is link pyramid. And i do think this doesn't make any sense. I have made 20 web 2.0 properties and then made backlinks to them so on average 2 000 link were shown in yahoo site explorer. Rank wasn't improved at all. I think rank was even lowered. In addition spamming tier 2 may not be the smartest move as google may be able to detect it and i think it did in my case - and that is probably reason why my rank was lowered a little. So link pyramid doesn't make much sense for me. Have you got any good results using pyramids or you also think that working on direct links is far better that getting loads of tier2 backlinks.
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Expertpeon
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I do around 50 web 2.0s per campaign and then create pyramids with the same article
I shoot for 200% uniqueness in the body on AMR (or 70% in SEnuke's tool)
Link pyramids have been extremely positive for me, I've yet to experience any campaign that did not increase my position by 4-5 ranks (if I'm ranking in the 20s I usually get an increase of 10 positions or more after another campaign)
You must have some gawd awful link pyramid structures to be punished. My spun articles are 100% readable and even, usually, getting approved by eznine and the rest. A link pyramid is not some simple structure either. I usually make around 100k-200k backlinks to support a single 30-40 web 2.0 campaign (if you count bookmarks)
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Thanks.
a) Is link pyramid submission to article directories or you submit to other sites. And of course it is supported by scrapebox,xrumer blast.
b) I am not sure what do you mean by simple structure for link pyramid. Because if i submit well spinned article to article directories there shouldn't be any problem as it is pretty much all everyone could do.
- I do not do link wheels.
- But also i submit to allarticle directories at the same day - is it bad.
- I backlinks just with scrapebox - with pretty much links from the same autoapprove list.
Did you find it more effective to backlink tier1 websites with just one method - for eexample scrapebox autoapprove or to combine with article blasts xrumer blasts and social bookmarks .. maybe buddypress/elgg submissions?
I submitted a article to articlesbase. Then i have made nearly %K backlinks with scrapebox. So i managed to get on the first page on google for a 500 exact searches. It was certainly easier before panda.
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I usually scrape about 20-30 articles then do a bulk spin in TBS using "replace everyones favorites" settings good > better > best.
If I create a 50-60 web 2.0 linkwheel, I usually get at least 14-15 indexed within the first few days. That's Google indexing the properties on it's own, no pinging or RSS submission on my end.
I try to make sure the content is well spun and there are a good amount of title variations. I guess if you want high quality readable articles, my method isn't for you. It does work to produce keyword rich articles that will pass as unique in the eyes of Google and that's the main thing I go for when making linkwheels.
It really just depends on if you're building linkwheels for people to actually read or if you're doing it simply for the linkjuice.
If I create a 50-60 web 2.0 linkwheel, I usually get at least 14-15 indexed within the first few days. That's Google indexing the properties on it's own, no pinging or RSS submission on my end.
I try to make sure the content is well spun and there are a good amount of title variations. I guess if you want high quality readable articles, my method isn't for you. It does work to produce keyword rich articles that will pass as unique in the eyes of Google and that's the main thing I go for when making linkwheels.
It really just depends on if you're building linkwheels for people to actually read or if you're doing it simply for the linkjuice.