From a forum owner's perspective I find it interesting to see how these big boards are optimized. Warrior Forum is running vb 3.8 with vbseo. BHW is a lot younger in years but is totally wipping the Warrior Forum's ass in seo optimization. It looks like BHW is running vb4 + vbseo but they've got vbseo really dialed in with the sitemap etc etc. Of course BHW is just an overall better forum because of the community but it doesn't hurt to be optimized to the gills either..