WARNING: SENuke

joerussell said:

We dont rely on the script to give an accurate count of sales as there are ways to game the system such as signing up under your own affiliate ID or creating a second membership and signing up under that to gain a commission this is why we manually verify each and every sale and commission through Paypal.

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this is the biggest bunch of bullshit ive ever read, lol

you dont look at the scripts to get counts of your sales?

so how DO you get the sales data? maybe call dianne warwick and her psychic friends network??

this sounds shady. no excuse for it, expect no pity when people pirate your stuff and pass it around more than a 5 dollar whore

Damn, thanks for the heads up!

horseplayer said:

It looks like the onus is on ellie now....

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Apologies for not replying sooner, my internet was transferring providers and I didnt get time to get into here from work.

My original post was to let you guys know what I've experienced personally. Hence the mentioning of the word WARNING. A Warning in my definition is a heads-up for you to pay attention you are going to get bent over. I know I would have loved a warning about other people's experiences with other less than solid affiliate programs before wasting countless hours. That was why I posted my accounts.

The Onus in an affiliate relationship is on the AM to honor their end of the arrangement and SENuke fell far short on this, hence why after long enough time to highlight their operating practices and getting the run around, I posted here. - NOT to get Senuke's attention (which I'd already resigned to it being less than helpful), but to inform our community. For all I know, there may have been other signups that were added to my account, I did send enough traffic through to them after all. (Now I come to think of it, if they manually change sales status, whats stopping them from scraping your signups, afterall how would the affiliate know? I guess if I cant trust them to manage their system with signup status, how can I trust they wouldnt misreport the number of people signing up as well...)

I didn't post here to rank in the top 10 on Google for "senuke affiliates" and tbh, after the energy I've wasting on this garbage affiliate system, I'm moved on to much better programs.

It's therefore of little coincidence that Joe joins bhw and chimes in hoping to spin the experiences I've had, afterall, how else can he get more people to aimlessly send them signups that they can convert as they see fit. Hell, Areeb (the other person behind senuke) already signed up and commented in a senuke thread about "how great it is"... *cough*

gts6 said:

this is the biggest bunch of bullshit ive ever read, lol

you dont look at the scripts to get counts of your sales?

so how DO you get the sales data? maybe call dianne warwick and her psychic friends network??

this sounds shady. no excuse for it

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I guess Joe didnt help his case any by chiming in afterall :twitch:

I'll reiterate what my first post says... If you are silly enough to want to promote senuke's affiliate program, pay attention to your stats... if all your signups go from "confirmed premium sale" status, to suddenly the "you get nothing" status then affiliate-beware because they just manually shafted you.

Interestingly enough I just found this - http://senukesux.com/ (and no, I'm not anything to do with it whatsoever).

Proves a point though.

joerussell said:

Ellie, first of all affiliate commissions were just paid out yesterday and today secondly no one went in and flipped or otherwise changed anything in your account.

We dont rely on the script to give an accurate count of sales as there are ways to game the system such as signing up under your own affiliate ID or creating a second membership and signing up under that to gain a commission this is why we manually verify each and every sale and commission through Paypal.

If you did in fact refer a friend and you know for a fact he is active and did not cancel then have him contact us with his Paypal transaction number and SEnuke member ID and if there was an error you will receive whatever you are entitled to.

If you are going to be doing any type of business online or off and want to succeed I would suggest that you learn some business etiquette. Simply contacting us to look into this matter would have have been sufficient.

Joe Russell

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In reading the OP, it appears they DID attempt to contact you. It would have been proper 'business etiquette' not to have given them the runaround at the point they did contact you such to not prompt them to make the post that they did.

As posted earlier as well, as an affiliate we should not have to monitor every conversion [that's what the affiliate program is setup to do, right?] as that is not only illogical but more time consuming than say sending the traffic to another affiliate who appreciates the efforts.

If you want to get further business I would suggest a better customer service approach.

How about somebody post his software in here to get back at him for stealing commision

Personally.. I don't think the program is too great. It is definitely not worth the hype but the tools that offered do look quite handy.

I was thinking of promoting this program soon in testing out some PPC ads, but I'm definitely staying clear of this now. I only wanted to promote it because it gives such high promises and offers a lot of tools. I haven't given it a full 100% note but I'm really not impressed with what it does so far.. It's not complete trash but it's not worth as much as it's charged for.

Just my .02

ellie said:

Hey Guys,

I thought it responsible that I report my experiences as a warning to those who are currently promoting SeNuke.

For approx. three weeks I sent a load of traffic through the senuke affiliate and picked up three sales according to their system. To top it off, a business friend of mine subscribed to the premium version as well (a total of 3 premium and 1 standard subscriptions).

So anyway, I thought... sweet, some steady passive income and left it at that as it was still three weeks from senuke's announced pay period.

Well to cut the story short, five weeks later when I had seen no commission, I logged into the site and noticed their system (or operators) had flipped the sales I made into an area stating I wasnt going to see any of the money. When I emailed "Joe" I received word that "oh, all those people that signed up under you were on the free trial period". So I rebutted (knowing my friend coughed up close to a hundred on this pos program) that I had close contact to those who purchased and I would have them email him their paypal receipt so he could issue a full refund... afterall, he had already established they were "free" users. I didnt even bother pointing out to Joe that their "free" trial was created and offered after the subscription of these others.

Anyhow, "Joe" continued to evade responsibility for the situation and I began rerouting the traffic and support of senuke to another relevant competitor.

So the reason for my post my friends is that if you are supporting Senuke's BS affiliate campaign, please be careful to keep an eye on how many conversions you are making AND that you arent losing a load of commission to these slimey wankers.

Thanks for reading,
Ellie

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LOL

Hey, have you ever thought about you getting cheated out of money because you was bashing his product before it got released..
-->http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/16686-senuke-what-you-say.html#post153783

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/16686-senuke-what-you-say.html#post151948

I had bad experiences with affiliate programs that are in-house so I don't work on any that doesn't have a good third party affiliate program.

Very often, I had to beg and write one email after another until I just gave up. These are for accounts that I have knowledge of such as purchases from my friends or students. What about all those that I don't know about?

So I know the frustration of being "cheated".

is it so.. oh good u all shred.. i am saved

CPUGEEK said:

LOL

Hey, have you ever thought about you getting cheated out of money because you was bashing his product before it got released..
-->http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/16686-senuke-what-you-say.html#post153783

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/16686-senuke-what-you-say.html#post151948

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Seems like SeNuke could have handled this a lot better to start with.
Seems like ellie puked on SeNuke one too many times before they appeared to respond in kind.

and so it goes in the forums of reality.

Good to see no one is getting personal.

Keep the Prof.

senukesux is ranked no2.. damn comments are redhot.

Hate that they turned out to be like that, I guess I won't promote them

"manual" reviews...sux

won't be promoting them.

I always said that senuke is not really professional, it counts for all of their stuff.
Yea the program works mostly but it's really NOT good programmed and some stuff looks like the things I created when I was a boy at school.
SEnuke can do good things but these facts just show that they are way less professional than they try to tell you

This is a sad situation that happens with a lot of smaller offerings. Oh well, here are lots of other offers out there to promote.

I had the same problem with Matt's HyperVRE. I was one of the first ones to climb on board that train. Referred more than 300 people. Many of them I knew were buying but I wasn't seeing any commissions.

Month's later (perhaps a year) when people started complaining Matt let everyone know that because everyone signed up under a "free trial" and he had no way to track the sales after that he wasn't paying commission on the up sales.

So, he kept all the money and continued to resell to all these people his other offers and make a chunk more from selling JV's and other offers. We were all screwed on that one.

Got to watch these people all the time. If they don't have their act together at first then it's only going to get worse.

Why in the hell would someone try to screw the guy bringing him traffic? If there is a doubt, give him the damn commission. Don't be a greedyasshole about it. Some people never learn because they are just what I said ... GREEDY ASSHOLES. I hope your sphincter shrinks shut!

Sorry, Joe isn't the first and certainly isn't the last to grow a business off of the back of affiliates and then ditch them.

Of course I just read the post a year later ... because I was interested in buying/renting a membership and becoming an affiliate to help recoup my cost. Forget that!

senuke does not even work anymore. what a pos program.

It doesn't??

senuke has made me alot of money, and also they use amember i am pretty sure so if they are using it for their affiliate system then it should be accurrate as can be.