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VPS/Dedi Advice...?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by waikikicane, Sep 3, 2011.

  1. waikikicane

    waikikicane Registered Member

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    Hi I am currently using the following dedicated Windows setup from VolumeDrive for the past year:

    Dual CPU AMD Opteron 246 HE
    4GB DDR ECC Registered Ram
    120 GB Hard Drive
    Unlimited Bandwidth and a 10mb Connection

    This has been costing me $65 a month.

    What I am wondering is......are there better dedicated windows servers out there for about the same price? Also, would it be advisable to go the VPS route instead? For the same price I could actually purchase several VPS's.
    I am trying to stay in the $70 ballpark...but get as much bang for my buck.

    I currently use my server to run all my Windows based programs - AMR, Scrapebox,TBS,BMD,TweetAttacks, D0F0LL0W Checker and LWB. I may be adding Senuke X into the fold as well.

    Any suggestions are greatly appreciated....thanks!
     
  2. pirrtaste

    pirrtaste Junior Member

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    If you get a good enough dedicated server you can make your own virtual machines,
    I currently running 30-40+ all stable, my sever is a tab bit more expensive but the cost
    saving is amazing.
     
  3. machines-in-motion

    machines-in-motion Junior Member

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    Forgive the noob question, but why do you need the virtual machines? Isn't the RAM/bandwidth the same no matter what?
     
  4. pirrtaste

    pirrtaste Junior Member

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    A VPS is typically cheaper, safer, and some host allow you to download the image for easy
    moving.
     
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  5. xSubZer0x

    xSubZer0x Junior Member

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    you can go with ovh they accept us customers now and are pretty cheap imo if you order from there other site www.kimsufi.ie (for people from us) it will show vat on the order page but if your from the us you wont have to pay it :) i have the i5 server which is 60$ a month after conversion only bad thing is they ask for proof of address and an id but other then that ive had no problems
     
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  6. schnucki

    schnucki Newbie

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    Are you allowed to run Xrumer on Kimsufi.ie ?
     
  7. Tytus

    Tytus Regular Member

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    Today I spend few hours on looking for some good dedicated server. During this process I've learned that there are some thing which I should take into consideration while choosing one.
    So first of all what I would like it to use for:
    Xrumer
    SrapeBox
    AMR
    BMD

    As I read some threads I see that important is to have one with unmetered bandwitdth. Second thing is: to be able to use above software on your server because not all of companies allow for that. The most popular (maybe the best is Intel Xeon). Some companies ask you to pay for windows ($40-$100/month) while some say nothing about it. So is it because you have to take care of it yourself? They don't mention about antivirus... maybe I don't need it there? So below I put some of websites which I'm interested in. (the position is random).

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    http://unmeteredservers.com/ 
    - they have unlimited bandwidth and some coupon which if I understand gives second month for free.
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    http://maxided.com/
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    http://www.spamahost.com/dedicated.php
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    http://volumedrive.com/
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    http://www.wrzhost.com/dedicated-servers.php
    looking at this site and seeing these flags I thought maybe you have to chose the server from the country you leave in... or it makes no difference?
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    https://www.stormondemand.com
    this one is odd. Looks like they ask you to pay for server + bandwidth. So like having this same server from other companies you can have it for half of the price. But I may don't understand their pricing.
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    http://hivelocity.net/dedicated-servers/
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    http://www.limestonenetworks.com/
    I've had send an email to some of them asking if they allow to run above software. Maybe on monday I will get answer.
    Looks like with limited bandwidth (up to 10000GB) you can have it for $140-$160.
    With unlimited bandwidth $200-$300. Kimsufi.ie and volumedrive.com looks suspicious for me because the same service they offer other ask for $150-$300/month. So why their prices are so lower and if they are same good?
    Question is if you will use all the bandwidth which they offer (6000GB-10000GB). Is XRumer and ScrapeBox such a dragon to swallow all of it? Than the next question is if you can at all run those monsters on these server? And last not least. Is it worth to pay $100 for unmetered bandwidth? The answer would be yes if above software would need more than 6000GB-10000GB.
    If anybody use or used listed services would be great to hear your experience with them. And please share you thought on it.
     
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  8. xSubZer0x

    xSubZer0x Junior Member

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    if you read Kimsufi.ie you would of seen under support that even tho it's unlimited they offer these specs and im sure they dont care as long as they dont get any complaints i mean people use ovh's network for torrenting which they have thousands of users that use there network for seedboxes even tho it says it's against there tos they dont care as long as they dont get any complaints like i said :)

    ** : The traffic is unlimited. If you exceed 5TB/month for the Kimsufi 2G, 10TB/month for the Kimsufi 16G or 15TB/month for the 24G Kimsufi the connection will be limited to 10 Mbps. You can buy additional TB of traffic directly from your manager: €14.90 per TB
    ***: €1.00 p/m per IP
    ***: managed by you
     
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  9. Tytus

    Tytus Regular Member

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    xSubZer0x do you use them?
     
  10. xSubZer0x

    xSubZer0x Junior Member

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    @ tytus yes i have rutorrent setup with them been using for 3 months no issue
     
  11. judson

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    People looking into dedicated server::

    You need to worry about a bit more than just RAM and bandwidth if you are a serious user. The processor does count too. So does the latency and the size of the pipe to your intended audience.

    Many of the European based hosts for example, have amazing European bandwidth, but this throttles down to just 5Mbs to the US. Test the servers from/to the sites you will be hitting the most.
     
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  12. Tytus

    Tytus Regular Member

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    Could you say something more about it? How to measure it and where to read results? If you have dedicated server which do you have and which one would you recommend in range of $100-$250/month?
     
  13. judson

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    It depends.
    re:Size of pipe ... it is difficult to measure without actually using the server. First off though, most hosts will have a 'Test file" you can download. This should give you an indication of the size of the pipe between you and the server. This just give you the speed in one direction though.

    Secondly, you can use a service like http://just-ping.com/ to test the ping latency between your server an various locations around the world. You ideally want this ping as low as possible in the geographic areas where your server is located.

    Speed is one thing. For some users, it is better to have a 5Tb package on a 1Gig port (low overall usage with very high peak usage), yet many will prefer a unlimited Tb on a 100Mbs port (high usage more evenly spread out) . It all depends on how you use your server.

    Once you have a server though, you can (on Windows servers), just use something like SpeedTest.net to test your server speed to various locations. Similarly, there are a couple of command line options you can use that do the same on Linus machines.

    Now, regarding the configuration, the requirements will vary from one use case to the next. Find out what yours are. Some people for example, will see better performance from more RAM. Others won't, but could do with a faster CPU. Still others are IO bound, and are better off spending money for faster disks, or hardware RAID. For many users too, their moeny is better spent on bigger disks than on faster ones .... like backup servers.

    Then you have a question of support. If you know what you are doing, you need far less support, and can manage your servers yourself. For a n00b, a managed server will be a better option. This will more expensive than the former.

    The truth though, is like most things IM, just do it. Get what looks to be a good server for your budget/needs. Only once you have been using it for a few weeks/months, will you begin to see where the performance bottlenecks are.

    Given that most providers have 1 month contracts, the worst thing that can happen is that you have to rebuild your setup with a new host. If you are running your instances in virtual machines though, you can easily migrate those VMs from one host to another.
     
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  14. Tytus

    Tytus Regular Member

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    That's a lot of information. Thank you so much. But now I'm confused which server will meet my needs. Knowing I'm a noob, would like to run ScrapeBox, XRumer, and some other softwares, would you suggest some specific server? Max $250/month.
     
  15. judson

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    Sorry for the delay in responding ... Am I the one who does not seem to be getting the subscription notifications in email?

    Anyway, if you are a total newb, stay away from dedicated servers. Just get a VPS. Use that for a few weeks, and you will soon figure out where the pain points are. Once you know that from personal experience, you will have a good checklist when you start hunting for a dedicated server.

    Use cases mean that one server that is good for one person, is going to be horrible for the next. Unfortunately, you are going to have to discover this yourself, and a decent VPS is a good and affordable way to do this.
     
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  16. Tytus

    Tytus Regular Member

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    Thanks judson. That's really helpful.
    BTW I'm getting email notifications.