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Vitamin C

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by ShadeDream, Mar 18, 2013.

  1. ShadeDream

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    I've recently started taking in various vitamins and was wondering about Vitamin C.

    What are your thoughts on it? How much do you consume? The recommended dietary allowance is around 60mg.

    But some of the articles out there do make you think about it.

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    I drink about 1.5L of Sunny D a day, idk how much VitC is in their :p
     
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    A shitload!

    @ShadeDream: I'm no doctor, but I would say as long as it balances out with the other vitamins, then it shouldn't matter much.
     
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    I currently take 3g of Vitamin C daily. 1g with 3 different meals. I have taken as much as 6-7g per day without any issues (this was when I was training extremely hard). Since vitamin C is a water-soluble vitamin, you don't really have to be all that worried about taking too much of it. Any excess will be excreted in your urine. However, you do have to pay attention to any side effects such as diarrhea from taking too much. Like most nutritional supplements it is best to ease your way into taking them. Start off with 1g per day and then increase.
     
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    I've been taking like 120mg of Vitamin C in a multivitamin tablet but I was wondering about those who take larger amounts. I recently got myself 500mg tablets to see how it goes. Apparently Vitamin C can be really beneficial and by looking at other animals, humans apparently don't have enough.

    The only thing that worries me with amounts such as 3g is kidney stones, which some say are more common.

    The only issue I see with taking large amounts of Vitamin C is the fact that you're urine becomes much darker meaning that you're excreting excess amounts of it. If you've got excess amounts of it, then the whole theory of mega-doses being good for you doesn't sound too convincing.
     
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    Thats really only if you also consume alot of calcium. Kidney stones come from a mixture of either (vitamin c and calcium) or (sugars and calcium)
     
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    Do you read any health articles? Like pop science and the likes? vitamin supplements will not help you. Just google about them.

    Eat real fruits and vegetables. Theres no shortcut

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    as we go ooooon, we remeeeemmmberrrr, all the times wee, had togeeetheeerrrr

    Thing with vitamins is you should take a little bit constantly all day long instead of huge doses at intermittent times. Body absorption of vitamins is actually a big inefficient (though additional chemicals, of which I forgot their names, can help absorb more vitamins at any given moment).

    And take it before you get sick. Vitamin C isn't medicine, it's a...vitamin.
     
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    Nootropics. Get on it!
     
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    ^^^^ This exactly. Just eat 2-3 oranges everyday and you will have plenty of your daily recommended intake of Vit C.
     
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    While, no doubt, Vitamin C is important - it is rather hard with todays 'convenience' to get all of the nutrients your body and brain need. One important mineral that, from memory, more than half the US population is deficient in is magnesium. It is an essential mineral that takes part in over 330 enzyme reactions in your body, and more than likely you're horribly deficient from it!

    So, yes - eat healthy, but even when eating healthy, some minerals or vitamins are hard to get. In the case of magnesium, processing foods usually renders the magnesium content of foods useless. I am only making this point because at this stage, I do not believe just 'eating right' will get you all of the nutrients you really need. Eating right is a huge aspect, no denying that.
     
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    Hate to add 2 cents after you have already got an answer but......All Vitamin supplements are a waste of money...There are rare exceptions where you may be incapable of eating in a hospital so supplements will help but in General eat an Apple and an Orange a day and you have your vitamins.

    Factory rendered vitamins are much harder to metabolise so it might say 1000mg mega dose on the label but you will shit that clean out of you with no benefit or have the usual neon Yellow Piss !
     
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    Very valid point. However, again, I don't think people have the ability to consume the various amounts and quantities of food required to really give them all of the nutrients that they need. I am a firm believer in eating right (although currently I am not doing so myself) but it's very difficult to get everything you need by just eating traditionally.

    To stay on the magnesium topic, if supplementing orally, you will reach the limit very quickly. In such a case, you use an oil like magnesium supplement which is absorbed topically, through the skin, and so you do not have the limits of digestion as you would normally when taking it orally. Perhaps the same can be done with most other supplements, as I do believe you are right, that the body does not metabolise all of the supplement you take.

    In general, the best practice, I believe, is to take capsules (with powder) or just powder. Tablets are generally harder to break down and metabolise by your body. This may help to alleviate some of what you're talking about, Duffers.
     
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    No, why would I need to think about it? lol

    Just eat all kinds of food and you're ok. Like fruits, vegetables, meat, chicken, fish etc etc.
     
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    I would first like to point out that what you eat is of the most importance. However, vitamins and mineral supplements are not worthless. They are meant to "supplement" a healthy diet. There are certain people that may benefit from them more than others. However, I would venture to say that over 95% of people could see some benefit from a proper vitamin regimen since they really don't have a truly healthy eating plan. Surveys have shown that 90% of people think that they eat healthy, but in reality we know this number is far from the truth.

    Sunny D is clearly not a good source of vitamin C. This juice is high in calories and has hardly no nutritional value at all. The vitamin c in it is no different than the vitamin c you would take in a supplement since the juice is simply enhanced with the vitamin c.

    For those who say eat 3 oranges a day, this is also poor advice. Oranges aren't even the best source of vitamin C. Other foods such as broccoli, cauliflower, red bell peppers, papaya, strawberries, and kale to name a few are better sources of vitamin c. Variety is an important part of a healthy eating plan. You need to get adequate amounts of other vitamins,minerals, antioxidants, etc. in addition to the vitamin c. I am not saying oranges are bad for you.

    On to my next point. It isn't as simple as just talking about whether or not you should take a vitamin. Many multi-vitamins contain micro amount of nutrients in crappy forms that aren't absorbed very well. When it comes to getting effective vitamins and minerals, the form it comes in is often very important for getting proper absorption and effectiveness. Of course, this depends on the particular vitamin and mineral in discussion.

    Glad to see someone else talking about how magnesium deficient we are as a population. I am a huge proponent of magnesium supplementation since most people are deficient due the use of fertilizers, poor magnesium quality ground, poor food choices, etc. When it comes to oral magnesium supplementation, chelated forms of magnesium are best. Some examples are magnesium glycinate, magnesium taurate, magnesium orotate, magnesium lysinate, magnesium fumarate, etc. Like mentioned earlier in this thread, I also use magnesium oil which is absorbed topically through your skin. Epsom salt baths are another way you can get a lot of magnesium into your body transdermally through your skin.

    I could go on for hours and probably days on the topic of discussion here, but I will stop at this for now.
     
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    If this is getting to a general nutrient discussion, what every young male needs that he isn't getting enough of:

    Vitamin D
    Vitamin B
    ZINC (holy hell, Zinc. Shoot, if you're 80 you should take in more Zinc. Your girl will thank you. Men will admire you)
    Magnesium
    Increase Protein:Carb ratio

    Speaking of which, did you know that a cooked egg releases more protein that your body can absorb and use? Raw eggs are very inefficient for the body to digest, which is weird, but makes sense when you think about how proteins are absorbed anyway. All those tough guys you see drinking raw eggs before going out on their morning run are stupid. If they made an omelet, they'd be eating healthier. Less calories doesn't mean healthier.
     
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    Toss all ur vitamin tablets in the bin and get soylent!
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    The guy behind Soylent is a software Engineer, I believe. I think what he has done here is probably too far, haha! Supplementation should be kept at exactly that, 'supplementation'. Not 'replacement'!

    Where's the fun in chugging down a mix of powders that form all of your daily intake! The idea is interesting nonetheless.
     
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    I take in about 5 times the amount of vitamin c you need a day. It keeps my immune system strong. I never get sick and it also helps with allergies.