flc735
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- Apr 30, 2011
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I've been writing for BHW members for years. I was hired to write a construction manual by the user: "damnit" http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/198611-damnit.html
I contacted him through this thread http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/hire-freelancer/726471-need-experienced-writer.html for binary options articles and he instead hired me to write the manual over skype
He served as the middle man. I wasn't able to talk to the client directly to find out the full details of what he was looking for. This led to a lot of misunderstandings. the client was unhappy at times due to this. It was completely out of my control as I could only go by what user Damnit gave to me. I was given a very brief outline and asked to write in detail about those general topics. After I submitted the frst draft, I was sometimes asked to write more on specific topics or add in new topics that were not mentioned before. Other times I was told they will not be using large sections of the text. Again, I didn't have a lot to go on as far as what the client wanted since I was not able to ask them directly. He did pay for the edits so I was okay with it.
For the last two sections, I was asked by user Damnit to rewrite specific pages in this manual http://sanbruno.ca.gov/comdev_images/2011_residentialhandbook.pdf
I did exactly that. He and the client were happy with the first section I rewrote (7 pages) and paid me $42.
We did most of our communication over Skype. This was out brief email exchange after he removed me as a contact over Skype earlier today.
If I had known not being paid for work that I did was a possibility I would have never began writing for him.
The Skype chat log is lengthy. It is mostly us talking about the work needed. I tried to take out the fluff and work stuff.
I can post the full logs if needed. Mods, please let me know.
I contacted him through this thread http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/hire-freelancer/726471-need-experienced-writer.html for binary options articles and he instead hired me to write the manual over skype
He served as the middle man. I wasn't able to talk to the client directly to find out the full details of what he was looking for. This led to a lot of misunderstandings. the client was unhappy at times due to this. It was completely out of my control as I could only go by what user Damnit gave to me. I was given a very brief outline and asked to write in detail about those general topics. After I submitted the frst draft, I was sometimes asked to write more on specific topics or add in new topics that were not mentioned before. Other times I was told they will not be using large sections of the text. Again, I didn't have a lot to go on as far as what the client wanted since I was not able to ask them directly. He did pay for the edits so I was okay with it.
For the last two sections, I was asked by user Damnit to rewrite specific pages in this manual http://sanbruno.ca.gov/comdev_images/2011_residentialhandbook.pdf
I did exactly that. He and the client were happy with the first section I rewrote (7 pages) and paid me $42.
[2/11/2015 725 PM] Florian Ionescu: I'm going to sleep now. The section you wrote was very good
[2/11/2015 738 PM] Florian Ionescu: Keep going with other section
[2/11/2015 754 PM] Florian Ionescu: sections*
[2/11/2015 708 PM] Florian Ionescu: write as much as you can
[2/11/2015 722 PM] Florian Ionescu: Thanks and have a good day
We did most of our communication over Skype. This was out brief email exchange after he removed me as a contact over Skype earlier today.
Me:
I am looking through the BHW Shitless thread guidelines right now. I have to ask again you are refusing to pay me for the work I did and notify you that I am creating a thread for this.
Him:
You can create a thread. I have people i work with that will tell their honest opinion about me.
Me:
That doesn't change the fact that you are refusing to pay me for the work that I did. You owe me this money regardless of your interactions with others.
Him:
I never pay for something i'm not using. Stop emailing me.
If I had known not being paid for work that I did was a possibility I would have never began writing for him.
The Skype chat log is lengthy. It is mostly us talking about the work needed. I tried to take out the fluff and work stuff.
I can post the full logs if needed. Mods, please let me know.
[12/20/2014 12:56:19 AM] Frank: I charge upfront. Are you ok with that?
[12/20/2014 12:58:32 AM] Florian Ionescu: I don't pay upfront. I can make you after each article is submitted unitl you can trust that I pay everytime
[12/23/2014 1147 AM] Frank: Upfront payment for this as we talked about
[12/23/2014 1125 AM] Florian Ionescu: Sure. Will you start working on it now?
[1/3/2015 1:16:57 AM] Florian Ionescu: This client has a great reputation and he is very fun to work with
[1/3/2015 107 AM] Florian Ionescu: I won't charge him uprfront
[1/3/2015 114 AM] Florian Ionescu: I never charge upfront
[1/3/2015 139 AM] Frank: Ok, sucks for me then I guess
[1/3/2015 155 AM] Florian Ionescu: You will be paid for every penny
[2/2/2015 251 PM] Florian Ionescu: check what i sent you before
[2/2/2015 259 PM] Florian Ionescu: i sent you a guide
[2/2/2015 2:38:11 PM] Florian Ionescu: See the messages above from the last link
[2/2/2015 2:39:32 PM] Frank: This? http://sanbruno.ca.gov/comdev_images/2011_residentialhandbook.pdf I didn't get that until AFTER I wrote everything....
[2/2/2015 2:39:45 PM] Florian Ionescu: Yes
[2/2/2015 2:39:46 PM] Florian Ionescu: I know
[2/2/2015 2:39:49 PM] Frank: so...
[2/2/2015 2:40:01 PM] Florian Ionescu: You're right
[2/2/2015 2:40:47 PM] Frank: If I get this information BEFORE, I can do it that way, obviously. This has happened for every section so far
[2/2/2015 2:41:18 PM] Florian Ionescu: Please write it using the info from that guide and what's in the message below that link
[2/2/2015 2:42:13 PM] Frank: Ok but then what happens for the next section? Because I have a feeling the exact same thing will happen
[2/2/2015 2:42:39 PM] Florian Ionescu: i will ask for every detail needed before writing
[2/2/2015 2:42:55 PM] Frank: Ok but you said that last time and that didnt happen
[2/2/2015 2:43:19 PM] Florian Ionescu: sorry for that but won't happen again
[2/2/2015 2:43:30 PM] Florian Ionescu: i was very busy with school to, i was messed up
[2/2/2015 344 PM | Edited 353 PM] Frank: I am starting over completely. I am basically rewriting pages 29-31 from this link http://sanbruno.ca.gov/comdev_images/2011_residentialhandbook.pdf and nothing beyond that. Is that correct?
[2/2/2015 310 PM] Florian Ionescu: correct
[2/2/2015 524 PM] Frank: I am emailing it to you now. Check it over. I rewrote the link that you sent me point by point. I did not include any additional information beyond what was in the link that I used.
[2/11/2015 725 PM] Florian Ionescu: I'm going to sleep now. The section you wrote was very good
[2/11/2015 738 PM] Florian Ionescu: Keep going with other section
[2/11/2015 754 PM] Florian Ionescu: sections*
[2/11/2015 708 PM] Florian Ionescu: write as much as you can
[2/11/2015 722 PM] Florian Ionescu: Thanks and have a good day
[2/13/2015 248 PM] Frank: I'm guessing there will be about 7 pages
[2/13/2015 202 PM] Frank: Eliminating the graphs took down my earnings a lot
[2/13/2015 238 PM] Florian Ionescu: Then please do them asap so I can give you more work
[2/13/2015 253 PM] Frank: Ok
[2/14/2015 334 AM] Frank: just emeiled 2 sections over
[2/14/2015 336 AM] Frank: (e)
[2/14/2015 358 AM] Frank: $39 owed
[244 AM] Frank: Hey
[217 AM] Florian Ionescu: Hi Frank
[225 AM] Frank: 39 owed
[234 AM] Frank: 2 days ago
[237 AM] Florian Ionescu: I'm waiting for my client to go online to check the work and then I will send the payment. don't worry
[246 AM] Florian Ionescu: my client doesn't log in during weekends
[253 AM] Frank: You are suppose to pay me before I write
[212 AM] Florian Ionescu: I don't have funds right now. Don't worry about the payment
[217 AM] Frank: Alright
[233 AM] Florian Ionescu: Meanwhile, you can go ahead and write more section
[202 AM] Frank: Ya ok thanks
[900 AM] Florian Ionescu: u there?
[1059 AM] Frank: Hi
[10:39:08 AM] Florian Ionescu: "YOU ARE FIRED" this is what my client said
[10:39:27 AM] Frank: Lol what
[10:39:48 AM] Frank: I did the exact same thing as last time where you said it was perfect
[10:40:00 AM] Florian Ionescu: This time you didn't
[10:40:07 AM] Frank: I absolutely did
[10:40:24 AM] Frank: I rewrote each section in both cases
[10:40:31 AM] Frank: Like you told me to do
[10:49:37 AM] Frank: You owe me $39 and this will be the end of it I guess
[10:50:09 AM] Florian Ionescu: I won't pay anything. That's why I never liked paying you upfront. This client was a good one and a fair one.