1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

User Damnit refuses to pay after work was completed. $39 owed.

Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by flc735, Feb 16, 2015.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. flc735

    flc735 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2011
    Messages:
    285
    Likes Received:
    82
    Occupation:
    Writer
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    I've been writing for BHW members for years. I was hired to write a construction manual by the user: "damnit" http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/198611-damnit.html
    I contacted him through this thread http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/hire-freelancer/726471-need-experienced-writer.html for binary options articles and he instead hired me to write the manual over skype


    He served as the middle man. I wasn't able to talk to the client directly to find out the full details of what he was looking for. This led to a lot of misunderstandings. the client was unhappy at times due to this. It was completely out of my control as I could only go by what user Damnit gave to me. I was given a very brief outline and asked to write in detail about those general topics. After I submitted the frst draft, I was sometimes asked to write more on specific topics or add in new topics that were not mentioned before. Other times I was told they will not be using large sections of the text. Again, I didn't have a lot to go on as far as what the client wanted since I was not able to ask them directly. He did pay for the edits so I was okay with it.




    For the last two sections, I was asked by user Damnit to rewrite specific pages in this manual http://sanbruno.ca.gov/comdev_images/2011_residentialhandbook.pdf
    I did exactly that. He and the client were happy with the first section I rewrote (7 pages) and paid me $42.







    We did most of our communication over Skype. This was out brief email exchange after he removed me as a contact over Skype earlier today.



    If I had known not being paid for work that I did was a possibility I would have never began writing for him.


    The Skype chat log is lengthy. It is mostly us talking about the work needed. I tried to take out the fluff and work stuff.
    I can post the full logs if needed. Mods, please let me know.


     
  2. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2009
    Messages:
    2,566
    Likes Received:
    11,026
    Occupation:
    Pusillanimous Knitter
    Location:
    Buenos Aires
    Accused member has been notified and has 48 hours to respond.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  3. damnit

    damnit BANNED BANNED

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2011
    Messages:
    52
    Likes Received:
    2
    I always paid him for the work that was accepted. I used to pay him upfront for everything, but everytime there were needed edits. Once, I lost money because the work was not good. Still, I kept working with him and always paid, until the last time when the writing he did was not good and I got fired. I refused to pay because the work was not good. As I told him in his email, I never pay for work I won't use. As stated before, I paid him once for something I didn't use (when I paid him upfront). No matter what, I won't pay for the last work he did.
     
  4. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2009
    Messages:
    2,566
    Likes Received:
    11,026
    Occupation:
    Pusillanimous Knitter
    Location:
    Buenos Aires
    @damnit

    Some questions to formulate a base:

    a) In your opinion, are the logs posted above accurate? Are there any more you feel that need to be posted to give a clearer picture?

    b) Are you on a JV basis or on a customer-vendor basis? I.e. did he work for you or did you both work for the third-party client?
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  5. damnit

    damnit BANNED BANNED

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2011
    Messages:
    52
    Likes Received:
    2
    1. I don't have time to check each log, but I can tell you that he was always late with work and this time I had enough.
    2. He was writing for me and everything he wrote was check by my client until the work was not good. How am I supposed to pay for something I won't use? I can show you Paypal transactions so you can see that I sent him a good amount of money until now.
     
  6. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2009
    Messages:
    2,566
    Likes Received:
    11,026
    Occupation:
    Pusillanimous Knitter
    Location:
    Buenos Aires
    After reviewing the logs and the responses, it is clear to me that @damnit is fully responsible to pay the owed amount of $39 to the OP for work ordered and delivered.

    This was clearly not a JV. @damnit is the client in this transaction and what he does with his own clients is his own business. I feel that @damnit 's client pulled a fast one of him and he's trying to pass the burden to the OP. Obviously, this is not an acceptable practice. In the case you really feel that the latest deliverable was not up to par with the previous ones, I am willing to review it out myself and re-evaluate this decision accordingly.

    I expect the payment to be done within 48 hours unless otherwise agreed by the two parties.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 6
  7. flc735

    flc735 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2011
    Messages:
    285
    Likes Received:
    82
    Occupation:
    Writer
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    I am happy to provide the full chat log, screen shots of the logs or the work that I did for him.

    Both of us were late on several occasions. I think the logs clearly show that he was not upset with my delivery time and was planning to continue working with me. It was a case where I think he just wanted the work done as quickly as possible which I think is understandable.

    He did pay for all of the work and edits up until this last section. He was suppose to pay upfront but wasn't always able to. He said he didn't charge his client upfront and didn't always have the extra funds on hand. He was late with payments as often as I was late with delivery.

    It was never mentioned that I would not be payed for work that his client did not accept. Again, there is no way I would have took on this job if I had known this was a possibility.
     
  8. flc735

    flc735 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2011
    Messages:
    285
    Likes Received:
    82
    Occupation:
    Writer
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Have not heard from @damnit yet..
     
  9. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2009
    Messages:
    2,566
    Likes Received:
    11,026
    Occupation:
    Pusillanimous Knitter
    Location:
    Buenos Aires
    Perma-banned
    .
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 5
  10. flc735

    flc735 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2011
    Messages:
    285
    Likes Received:
    82
    Occupation:
    Writer
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Thanks. I offered him to settle for half too. Oh well. I have a feeling he may have just made a new account. Here is the rest of his info in case he pops up again somewhere.


    Personal Info Removed By Mod.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.