Unique CPA method. Can never get saturated.

They want coupon for the product. Also, pin submit offers are very lucrative.
Do u think SEO is dead option for this thing to run ? How much is your stats btw if u can share (traffic — %CVR , - Money) is it similar % as game hack niches ?
 
Yep very lucrative for us I know. But having 2%+ conversion on a pin submit offer not related at all with the product, I find it very interesting. Of course they want the coupon but wanting it so much...lol

Thanks, will try the method asap with a twist I have in mind

Do u think SEO is dead option for this thing to run ? How much is your stats btw if u can share (traffic — %CVR , - Money) is it similar % as game hack niches ?

Check page no 6 where I posted stats.

Seo would be a great idea! You will find it little hard to rank.
 
Maybe this could back-fire us in anyways?
That was although a clever move.
 
Another twist is to purchase shoutouts on big pages related to your product. This will give you an idea on how well your offer will work.

I can see this working well with paid ads as well so long as you make it look good and test.

Thanks for sharing OP. Will post results when I give this a try.
 
My participation in OP thread when I saw that OP recently re-started his old thread and claimed he was getting too many PM requesting more information. In his thread prior to my participation there was a question asked about how can his store have item in stock and magically during checkout to change it out OOS and said that kind of feature is not possible in Shopify or WooCommerce. OP said that Shopify or WooCommerce is not needed and it can be done with plugin / templates / simple landing page.

My response was that technical aspect that he describes as his method would be too complicated for people to implement on BHW. What good is a shared method if it cannot be implemented by others and if anyone asks a question challenging anything the person is attacked & called names instead? Instead of answering technical question about how he is making impossible shopping cart work without Shopify / Woocomerce OP has accused me of being needed to be spoonfed and that I need to do my own research and ask questions on other forums. As OP and his supporters continued attacking me without addressing any flaws that I mentioned I collected more and more lies from OP and when they’re pieces together they prove that his entire method does not work. Below I’ll take his method apart as described by him in various parts of his ramblings.

CPC - The user starts with claim that he created 1 product ecommerce store that would list expensive, luxury item for sale such as drone. He tells people that they don’t need Shopify or WooCommerce and that simple store will be convincing enough for PAID ads moderators & PAID ads visitors who need realistic experience so that they don’t complain but yet also mentions simple landing page. As we all know the more expensive the item is the more expensive CPC will be. $50 dropshipped item might require $10+ spent before conversion into sale and each CPC can be under $1. For luxury items such as drone everything will be a lot more expensive and it is not unreasonable to pay $5 per click. So essentially OP method starts with getting visitors at a very high cost and he is sharing his method because others can do the same. OP also mentions nothing about ad testing. If someone is paying $5 per click and bringing luxury shoppers to their store wouldn’t there be a need to do some testing to find profitable adsets. At $5 per click you would need to spend a lot of money before you figure out what works and what doesn’t. OP advice without any factual info to back him up would bankrupt any newbie that doesn’t have knowledge to compete in PPC for luxury items. The competition out there is high between manufacturers, retailers, affiliates and dropshippers competing for same people that OP or anyone trying to come in with 1 product store does not have a chance. So with high cost of PAID traffic user acquisition, higher cost of testing and no product ever sold to visitor this is not a viable way to get traffic. Changing this to FREE traffic doesn’t help much because quality would be a lot less and that kind of shopper would be less buying to purchase anything and agreeing to $29.99/month charge just for the chance to get a coupon. Most would just move on.

SHOPPER – So in perfect scenario OP spends $500 to get 100 visitors and they visit his one page store offering luxury item and OP claimed it will be simple landing page not using Shopify or Woocomerce. As those of us that have one product droppshipping stores we know that it can’t be just simple product store and it needs to be content rich (lots of description, photos, reviews, etc) to be convincing enough for someone to buy. With Shopify for example you can grab expensive AE item and copy description, photos and reviews. OP doesn’t mention anything like that and creates mysterious landing page instead. So $5 per click shopper comes to OP website and looks around and it is convincing enough where he doesn’t just close his browser. The store would have to so good that shopper would decide to buy it there on an impulse as compared to buy same exact item from established store like Amazon, Best Buy, B&H, etc. OP says that the goal is for $5 per click shopper is not to buy anything in your store and instead the goal is to trick them into signing up to mailing list with promise of 80% off coupon. I think personally if I come to a store that promises 80% I would already be skeptical but let’s say all of OP 100 visitors are not skeptical and will sign up to mailing list. After signup shoppers don’t get promised 80% off coupon and instead get instructions sent about what to do to get 80% off coupon instead. OP story has evolved several times and he did say that uses PIN SUBMITS as source of revenue. He buys $5 CPC and has profitable EPC from converting his PIN SUBMITS and he also mentions using PTC. If he is spending $5 per visitor he might as well try to squeeze out $0.01 if the click on something. So after receiving his instructions 100 which cost him $500 have a choice – become skeptical or continue being gullible. OP email says if you want to receive 80% off coupon you need to subscribe to mobile offer such as astrology, wallpapers, antivirus which will cost them $29.99/month. So ask yourself what percentage of shoppers would be willing to spend $29.99/month on mobile service just to get too good to be true 80% off coupon from WWW.BUYDRONE-NOW-33.COM Let’s say 90 people decide they want get your coupon and signup to astrology mobile service. How would OP website know that shopper 7 completed his mobile offer and needs to be generated coupon or if shopper 21 read mailing list instructions but decides not to spend $29.99. Next step shopper tries to purchase the item from your store and your mysterious shopping software can randomly make item out of stock after he completes checkout (during which he tries to use coupon). OP says he does that to get shoppers to come back another day and now the item is back in stock but coupon is already expired and new coupon offer is generated (shopper would have to signup to another $29.99/month service). If shopper is lucky to be able to actually complete checkout OP mysterious shopping cart would only give him option for COD and not any other payment times. Order is completed and shopper gets confirmation email. After this OP never sends any item because shopper never paid for it and his luxury item doesn’t exist. Shopper waits a week nothing is delivered, shopper waits 2 weeks and nothing is delivered and reaches out to WWW.BUYDRONE-NOW-33.COM contact page but never hears back. Shopper is stuck with $29.99 subscription which will be most likely disputed by the shopper with their credit card or mobile carrier. OP claims that he never gets in trouble with network because he doesn’t sell product he provides them a coupon instead. In case of dispute mobile service operator / credit card company / CPA network will side with shopper once they hear his side of the story.

EARNINGS – User spends $500 for 100 visitors and somehow convinces 90 to sign up @ $29.99/month. For this CPA network will pay him $20 per person which is $1800 if you can get it cashed out. What happens when pissed off people never receive item and complain to your store with no answer? Mobile service provider will start seeing requests for refunds & if they don’t give them people will do a chargeback. Mobile service provider will your CPA network that your traffic is resulting in 100% refunds / chargeback request and terminate your account. You cannot go on forever tricking people for $29.99 and not expect them to do something.

SOFTWARE – First thing that I’ve noticed about this so called original method is that what was being described was impossible to do with existing ecommerce platforms. OP can only say that he uses a simple landing page and that what he talks about can be done with plugins / templates and that Shopify or WooCommerce or not needed. So what mystery platform that I cannot ask questions about and need to do my own research would be there. For one it has to be convincing enough to look like a real store for PAID traffic and it needs to have ability to have some dynamic features. Software will track each $5 visitor to the site and generate custom tracking ID for each PIN SUBMIT offer sent to user. Once user pays $29.99 this will be recorded at CPA network and the software will connect via API and generate a unique 80% off coupon and deliver it to shopper. Shopper comes to the store and store is able to tell him apart from other visitors. Store will have an option to allow shopper to add item to cart, complete cart and add 80% off coupon. Here the store will either magically make item out of stock right when he tries to complete purchase or only allow COD as payment. If shopper is tricked that item is out of stock and tries to come back few days later he will be told that coupon is expired and asked to do another $29.99 mobile service offer which nobody will do. Everything OP describes is technically not possible with public software and to create custom solution would require more effort than most newbies would be able to do. Why waste time / money / effort when this method will be all chargebacks anyways?

MAILING LIST - Mailing list is of no use either – people who were tricked into spending $29.99/month will not respond to your future emails. If company that just scammed someone sends that person CPA offer to buy TV for $300 do you think the person would follow thru with the purchase so that OP can get affiliate commission? If OP collects emails and then sends unsolicited emails from another account he will get the same response from scammed people. Why would they trust some email that they didn’t now they signed up for (since sender is changed) and that is offering to buy $300 TV online. They just got scammed for $29.99/month and I think their online shopping impulse buying will be over. Do you think that you send them another email offering them VR set for $800 they will have a high chance of earning you CPA? Any sane person would unsubscribe from your mailing list after receiving your first email with instructions where in order to receive coupon from you shopper must subscribe to astrology / wallpaper / antivirus mobile service for $29.99/month. OP claims that this collected mailing list can be sold to others. Who would purchase a list where all subscribers were recently tricked and would not be likely shoppers as a result? Who would want to buy a list after you blast it with your CPA offers a few times?





With high cost of f CPC for luxury items it is not practical to spend $5 per click to trick people and not deliver any product. Very low number of people would buy something very expensive at WWW.BUYDRONE-NOW-33.COM when they can be same item from reputable source. How many red flags does it take to know it’s a scam? Why does online store selling luxury items asking shoppers to sign up for astrology subscription on mobile? 99% of SHOPPERS will dispute their charge after interacting with fake site that tricked them. EARNINGS will be reversed by CPA network after too many complaints. SOFTWARE to execute this idea does not exist and can only be custom made to create fake e-commerce to get these features. If somehow some users are convinced to do PIN SUBMIT they will all dispute it after not receiving anything. All in all everything mentioned here is destined to fail and will result in heavy loss for PPC & high refunds / chargebacks for EARNINGS and good luck finding a technical solution to execute dynamic features that OP claims exist. It would be nearly impossible to have a business model where you trick someone for $29.99/month and they complain and you continue to re-monetize them by sending them CPA offers and they continue to buy buy buy. Just because OP claims that he did something and that others can do it now doesn’t make it true.

For anyone who still thinks that this is a good method feel free to implement it. In my opinion this is the most ridiculous idea ever – high CPC traffic to make money from low EPC PIN submits without any risk of chargebacks that can lead to CPA network not paying at all. When you do let me know what software you will use since it’s not Shopify / WooCommerce and how you deal with necessary custom features and chargebacks. Bringing traffic via PAID methods requires money and testing, FREE methods require time & effort. Once you have visitor on your site you still need to convert them to do your offer. PIN submits have low conversion rate for when the niche is targeted (ie. Tarot website advertising astrology mobile subscription) and it would be non-existent when luxury item store has to force shopper astrology / wallpaper subscription to get a coupon. It would be better to use Zip / Email submit since there is no cost to shopper but those even for tier 1 can be under $1 CPA and notorious not to pay for all the leads because not everything is recorded due oversaturation of these types of CPA for decades. PIN / Email / Zip submit offers were used in the days when Myspace was hot but running these types of offers as source of revenue in 2020?

PS. There is no point for me to ask OP about anything since I already asked him many times about parts of his story that didn’t add up . He will not be able to explain what SOFTWARE he runs to get his custom features. He will not be able to explain how to convert high CPC cost of visitors into profitable EPC from PIN submits without charge backs. He will try to deflect and say FREE traffic can be used and other offers can be done instead of PAID traffic and running PIN submits. He will say that IT CAN BE DONE and he’s done it before and I’m not willing to learn and put in the effort to implement it and trying to block others from trying. Nothing but hypothetical IT CAN BE DONE information will be shared and all unanswered questions will remain unanswered.

PPS. If OP is such a genius who came up with amazing & original method that required multiple things that are not possible with mysterious shopping cart software he claims to exist. I just thought a simpler method of FAKE ecommerce site that can actually be implemented and is a lot simpler to accomplish:

1) Create Shopify store and copy product from AE with description, images. Use reviews plugins t to import reviews / pictures. Spend several hours to create a realistically looking store that is content rich. Put your product OOS from the start

2) Ask user to sign up to be notified when item is in stock and if he does send him easy CPA offer (zip / email) . Since there will not be any product ever in stock subscriber will never be notified and of course you can try to send more emails but eventually response will be 0%.

3) Send FREE traffic and hope it converts, PAID traffic is expensive for FAKE ecommerce stores. Don’t expect to get high conversion and you’ll be very lucky if you can get 1-2 email submits out of 100 free visitors you will send (getting $0.75 for tier 1) Any longer CPA submits or those that require shopper to spend money convert even less.

4) You can run it forever for free on Shopify via developer account trick. No sales = no billing = free hosted storeJ

So as you can see my idea is better, fully explained and has more gold nugget information than anything OP has said. Personally I would never do this idea because if I already spend several hours creating legit 1 product store I would rather use it in dropshipping model and get interested shoppers turn into buyers versus try to squeeze out $0.75 email submit from few shoppers. To make money you need volume (ie, 10,000 FREE visitors per month) but to get that kind of volume is unrealistic. If anyone is able to has skills to create ecommerce site & knowledge and ability to drive PAID or FREE traffic to it there are more profitable ways to make money and not having to resort using your skills with FAKE sites.
 
My participation in OP thread when I saw that OP recently re-started his old thread and claimed he was getting too many PM requesting more information. In his thread prior to my participation there was a question asked about how can his store have item in stock and magically during checkout to change it out OOS and said that kind of feature is not possible in Shopify or WooCommerce. OP said that Shopify or WooCommerce is not needed and it can be done with plugin / templates / simple landing page.

I ain't reading all that. Hurts my already damaged eyes LMAO. If you spent all that time doing this BH method, you'd be rich.

Also, you guys don't even need an actual eCom store. Simply send traffic to an opt in page with info on the product, have them
submit their email for the coupon. They get email with a link to your content locker saying they have to complete offers to get the coupon.

When (and if) they unlock it, simply redirect them to a related ecom store and that's it.

No one's buying shit, no ones entering no CC or anything, simply BH.
 
My participation in OP thread when I saw that OP recently re-started his old thread and claimed he was getting too many PM requesting more information. In his thread prior to my participation there was a question asked about how can his store have item in stock and magically during checkout to change it out OOS and said that kind of feature is not possible in Shopify or WooCommerce. OP said that Shopify or WooCommerce is not needed and it can be done with plugin / templates / simple landing page.

My response was that technical aspect that he describes as his method would be too complicated for people to implement on BHW. What good is a shared method if it cannot be implemented by others and if anyone asks a question challenging anything the person is attacked & called names instead? Instead of answering technical question about how he is making impossible shopping cart work without Shopify / Woocomerce OP has accused me of being needed to be spoonfed and that I need to do my own research and ask questions on other forums. As OP and his supporters continued attacking me without addressing any flaws that I mentioned I collected more and more lies from OP and when they’re pieces together they prove that his entire method does not work. Below I’ll take his method apart as described by him in various parts of his ramblings.

CPC - The user starts with claim that he created 1 product ecommerce store that would list expensive, luxury item for sale such as drone. He tells people that they don’t need Shopify or WooCommerce and that simple store will be convincing enough for PAID ads moderators & PAID ads visitors who need realistic experience so that they don’t complain but yet also mentions simple landing page. As we all know the more expensive the item is the more expensive CPC will be. $50 dropshipped item might require $10+ spent before conversion into sale and each CPC can be under $1. For luxury items such as drone everything will be a lot more expensive and it is not unreasonable to pay $5 per click. So essentially OP method starts with getting visitors at a very high cost and he is sharing his method because others can do the same. OP also mentions nothing about ad testing. If someone is paying $5 per click and bringing luxury shoppers to their store wouldn’t there be a need to do some testing to find profitable adsets. At $5 per click you would need to spend a lot of money before you figure out what works and what doesn’t. OP advice without any factual info to back him up would bankrupt any newbie that doesn’t have knowledge to compete in PPC for luxury items. The competition out there is high between manufacturers, retailers, affiliates and dropshippers competing for same people that OP or anyone trying to come in with 1 product store does not have a chance. So with high cost of PAID traffic user acquisition, higher cost of testing and no product ever sold to visitor this is not a viable way to get traffic. Changing this to FREE traffic doesn’t help much because quality would be a lot less and that kind of shopper would be less buying to purchase anything and agreeing to $29.99/month charge just for the chance to get a coupon. Most would just move on.

SHOPPER – So in perfect scenario OP spends $500 to get 100 visitors and they visit his one page store offering luxury item and OP claimed it will be simple landing page not using Shopify or Woocomerce. As those of us that have one product droppshipping stores we know that it can’t be just simple product store and it needs to be content rich (lots of description, photos, reviews, etc) to be convincing enough for someone to buy. With Shopify for example you can grab expensive AE item and copy description, photos and reviews. OP doesn’t mention anything like that and creates mysterious landing page instead. So $5 per click shopper comes to OP website and looks around and it is convincing enough where he doesn’t just close his browser. The store would have to so good that shopper would decide to buy it there on an impulse as compared to buy same exact item from established store like Amazon, Best Buy, B&H, etc. OP says that the goal is for $5 per click shopper is not to buy anything in your store and instead the goal is to trick them into signing up to mailing list with promise of 80% off coupon. I think personally if I come to a store that promises 80% I would already be skeptical but let’s say all of OP 100 visitors are not skeptical and will sign up to mailing list. After signup shoppers don’t get promised 80% off coupon and instead get instructions sent about what to do to get 80% off coupon instead. OP story has evolved several times and he did say that uses PIN SUBMITS as source of revenue. He buys $5 CPC and has profitable EPC from converting his PIN SUBMITS and he also mentions using PTC. If he is spending $5 per visitor he might as well try to squeeze out $0.01 if the click on something. So after receiving his instructions 100 which cost him $500 have a choice – become skeptical or continue being gullible. OP email says if you want to receive 80% off coupon you need to subscribe to mobile offer such as astrology, wallpapers, antivirus which will cost them $29.99/month. So ask yourself what percentage of shoppers would be willing to spend $29.99/month on mobile service just to get too good to be true 80% off coupon from WWW.BUYDRONE-NOW-33.COM Let’s say 90 people decide they want get your coupon and signup to astrology mobile service. How would OP website know that shopper 7 completed his mobile offer and needs to be generated coupon or if shopper 21 read mailing list instructions but decides not to spend $29.99. Next step shopper tries to purchase the item from your store and your mysterious shopping software can randomly make item out of stock after he completes checkout (during which he tries to use coupon). OP says he does that to get shoppers to come back another day and now the item is back in stock but coupon is already expired and new coupon offer is generated (shopper would have to signup to another $29.99/month service). If shopper is lucky to be able to actually complete checkout OP mysterious shopping cart would only give him option for COD and not any other payment times. Order is completed and shopper gets confirmation email. After this OP never sends any item because shopper never paid for it and his luxury item doesn’t exist. Shopper waits a week nothing is delivered, shopper waits 2 weeks and nothing is delivered and reaches out to WWW.BUYDRONE-NOW-33.COM contact page but never hears back. Shopper is stuck with $29.99 subscription which will be most likely disputed by the shopper with their credit card or mobile carrier. OP claims that he never gets in trouble with network because he doesn’t sell product he provides them a coupon instead. In case of dispute mobile service operator / credit card company / CPA network will side with shopper once they hear his side of the story.

EARNINGS – User spends $500 for 100 visitors and somehow convinces 90 to sign up @ $29.99/month. For this CPA network will pay him $20 per person which is $1800 if you can get it cashed out. What happens when pissed off people never receive item and complain to your store with no answer? Mobile service provider will start seeing requests for refunds & if they don’t give them people will do a chargeback. Mobile service provider will your CPA network that your traffic is resulting in 100% refunds / chargeback request and terminate your account. You cannot go on forever tricking people for $29.99 and not expect them to do something.

SOFTWARE – First thing that I’ve noticed about this so called original method is that what was being described was impossible to do with existing ecommerce platforms. OP can only say that he uses a simple landing page and that what he talks about can be done with plugins / templates and that Shopify or WooCommerce or not needed. So what mystery platform that I cannot ask questions about and need to do my own research would be there. For one it has to be convincing enough to look like a real store for PAID traffic and it needs to have ability to have some dynamic features. Software will track each $5 visitor to the site and generate custom tracking ID for each PIN SUBMIT offer sent to user. Once user pays $29.99 this will be recorded at CPA network and the software will connect via API and generate a unique 80% off coupon and deliver it to shopper. Shopper comes to the store and store is able to tell him apart from other visitors. Store will have an option to allow shopper to add item to cart, complete cart and add 80% off coupon. Here the store will either magically make item out of stock right when he tries to complete purchase or only allow COD as payment. If shopper is tricked that item is out of stock and tries to come back few days later he will be told that coupon is expired and asked to do another $29.99 mobile service offer which nobody will do. Everything OP describes is technically not possible with public software and to create custom solution would require more effort than most newbies would be able to do. Why waste time / money / effort when this method will be all chargebacks anyways?

MAILING LIST - Mailing list is of no use either – people who were tricked into spending $29.99/month will not respond to your future emails. If company that just scammed someone sends that person CPA offer to buy TV for $300 do you think the person would follow thru with the purchase so that OP can get affiliate commission? If OP collects emails and then sends unsolicited emails from another account he will get the same response from scammed people. Why would they trust some email that they didn’t now they signed up for (since sender is changed) and that is offering to buy $300 TV online. They just got scammed for $29.99/month and I think their online shopping impulse buying will be over. Do you think that you send them another email offering them VR set for $800 they will have a high chance of earning you CPA? Any sane person would unsubscribe from your mailing list after receiving your first email with instructions where in order to receive coupon from you shopper must subscribe to astrology / wallpaper / antivirus mobile service for $29.99/month. OP claims that this collected mailing list can be sold to others. Who would purchase a list where all subscribers were recently tricked and would not be likely shoppers as a result? Who would want to buy a list after you blast it with your CPA offers a few times?





With high cost of f CPC for luxury items it is not practical to spend $5 per click to trick people and not deliver any product. Very low number of people would buy something very expensive at WWW.BUYDRONE-NOW-33.COM when they can be same item from reputable source. How many red flags does it take to know it’s a scam? Why does online store selling luxury items asking shoppers to sign up for astrology subscription on mobile? 99% of SHOPPERS will dispute their charge after interacting with fake site that tricked them. EARNINGS will be reversed by CPA network after too many complaints. SOFTWARE to execute this idea does not exist and can only be custom made to create fake e-commerce to get these features. If somehow some users are convinced to do PIN SUBMIT they will all dispute it after not receiving anything. All in all everything mentioned here is destined to fail and will result in heavy loss for PPC & high refunds / chargebacks for EARNINGS and good luck finding a technical solution to execute dynamic features that OP claims exist. It would be nearly impossible to have a business model where you trick someone for $29.99/month and they complain and you continue to re-monetize them by sending them CPA offers and they continue to buy buy buy. Just because OP claims that he did something and that others can do it now doesn’t make it true.

For anyone who still thinks that this is a good method feel free to implement it. In my opinion this is the most ridiculous idea ever – high CPC traffic to make money from low EPC PIN submits without any risk of chargebacks that can lead to CPA network not paying at all. When you do let me know what software you will use since it’s not Shopify / WooCommerce and how you deal with necessary custom features and chargebacks. Bringing traffic via PAID methods requires money and testing, FREE methods require time & effort. Once you have visitor on your site you still need to convert them to do your offer. PIN submits have low conversion rate for when the niche is targeted (ie. Tarot website advertising astrology mobile subscription) and it would be non-existent when luxury item store has to force shopper astrology / wallpaper subscription to get a coupon. It would be better to use Zip / Email submit since there is no cost to shopper but those even for tier 1 can be under $1 CPA and notorious not to pay for all the leads because not everything is recorded due oversaturation of these types of CPA for decades. PIN / Email / Zip submit offers were used in the days when Myspace was hot but running these types of offers as source of revenue in 2020?

PS. There is no point for me to ask OP about anything since I already asked him many times about parts of his story that didn’t add up . He will not be able to explain what SOFTWARE he runs to get his custom features. He will not be able to explain how to convert high CPC cost of visitors into profitable EPC from PIN submits without charge backs. He will try to deflect and say FREE traffic can be used and other offers can be done instead of PAID traffic and running PIN submits. He will say that IT CAN BE DONE and he’s done it before and I’m not willing to learn and put in the effort to implement it and trying to block others from trying. Nothing but hypothetical IT CAN BE DONE information will be shared and all unanswered questions will remain unanswered.

PPS. If OP is such a genius who came up with amazing & original method that required multiple things that are not possible with mysterious shopping cart software he claims to exist. I just thought a simpler method of FAKE ecommerce site that can actually be implemented and is a lot simpler to accomplish:

1) Create Shopify store and copy product from AE with description, images. Use reviews plugins t to import reviews / pictures. Spend several hours to create a realistically looking store that is content rich. Put your product OOS from the start

2) Ask user to sign up to be notified when item is in stock and if he does send him easy CPA offer (zip / email) . Since there will not be any product ever in stock subscriber will never be notified and of course you can try to send more emails but eventually response will be 0%.

3) Send FREE traffic and hope it converts, PAID traffic is expensive for FAKE ecommerce stores. Don’t expect to get high conversion and you’ll be very lucky if you can get 1-2 email submits out of 100 free visitors you will send (getting $0.75 for tier 1) Any longer CPA submits or those that require shopper to spend money convert even less.

4) You can run it forever for free on Shopify via developer account trick. No sales = no billing = free hosted storeJ

So as you can see my idea is better, fully explained and has more gold nugget information than anything OP has said. Personally I would never do this idea because if I already spend several hours creating legit 1 product store I would rather use it in dropshipping model and get interested shoppers turn into buyers versus try to squeeze out $0.75 email submit from few shoppers. To make money you need volume (ie, 10,000 FREE visitors per month) but to get that kind of volume is unrealistic. If anyone is able to has skills to create ecommerce site & knowledge and ability to drive PAID or FREE traffic to it there are more profitable ways to make money and not having to resort using your skills with FAKE sites.


Ok i wanna share my own opinion about all of this!

So first of all you are correct about a few things and im also sceptical the OP can get over 3-5% conversion rate for pin submits running this fake luxury shopping sites because why would a site selling high end drones offer coupon codes locked under suspicious offers for astrology,free iphones etc... alot of people will raise their bullshit meter high as fuck when they see that! i doubt even 1% would actually send taht sms code for a subscription.
Also i never tried the pin submit on my own phone but does the user actually see what kinda subscription is he gettin and is it clearly visible in the sms? if so then im shure if he sees the 30usd per month he would just cancel it... if not then maybe it could work.
It also doesnt help that the fine print rly isnt all that small so the user can actually read he will be sent 2 premium sms on a weekly basis until he decides to cancel the sub,it would work better if the user would actually have to scroll all the way down to read that fine print.


But i will say something else regarding these offers! they are definitely extremely lucrative for affiliates and the OP is 100% correct on this and no the cpa incentive networks like OGads,CPAgrip etc... wont give a flying fuck about where ur traffic comes from,im not shure about the chargebacks from the phone carrier providers but if you do ur own research about this offers you will find out that most of those advertisers for incentive pin submits are extremely scummy and shady so they will do everything they possibly can so the user cannot get his money back.
I think they use some sort of legal loopholes because you also have to read the fine print on the offer landing page and agree to the terms of agreement before you send the sms code.
If there rly would be so easily to get ur money back and chargeback then these offers wouldnt even exist on incentive networks just think about it.... since advertisers would be out of biz.

For normal networks that arent incentive for shure those advertisers dont want bad reputation on their brand and many even state(you can find the info on offervault) that if you send bad quality traffic they will stop your campaign.
Maybe things have changed nowadays regarding regulation in EU countries for these type of premium mobile subscription services but im not shure maybe u have more info on this.
About lower tier traffic i definitely know its less regulated but ofc you dont earn 15$ per each submit so its worthless.

Another example is the sweepstake offers and im shure if you did ur research you would already know that alot of affiliates made a shit TON of money with FB blackhat ads with these shady offers in the past before FB crackedown hard on that shit.
So the method was basically target naive teenagers who wanted a free iphone and then to win their sweet prize they would have to complete the pin submit and many did infact do just that dont ever think how stupid some people can actually be.
Only difference was the fact that it was easier to fool them since the pin submit offer actually was in the same niche so it showed iphone pics etc... much better then selling fake drones and then have an offer for astrology lol :D the user would be shocked even if he is naive.
If stuff like this wouldnt work then people wouldnt make insane amounts of money doing it and you can even find horror stories of real victims who had to pay so many charges on their phones.
I remember i read a story about some mom who found out her daugther keep completing pin submits from FB because she really thought she was gonna win that iphone 11 pro!
Again its not so simple to get your money back and you have to jump through alot of legal hoopes so this advertisers know how to get their money and in turn their affiliates wont get in trouble aswell.



Also again just do your research on the whole sweepstake scheme and why fb had to shutdown all of that shit,nowadays its still kinda profitable since people use pricey cloaking software providers to fool FB moderator bots into thinking their ads are whitehat.
So in my experience doing all of my research on these kinda social engineering tricks to fool people is very much profitable on FB because you can get laser targeted clicks but you do have to do a TON of tests and test multiple ads to see what works best so you target a very naive audience.
I would also say on a final note that i dont think this is possible in a luxury niche because those users usually arent that gullible,its best you target naive teenagers and for cheaper shit like lets say you target a gaming niche and then you have banners for cheap custom skin game controllers 50% off discount and then just grow your email list that way.
Again i agree with you that its probably not profitable to earn with incentive cpa offers because its just way too saturated right now and not many will wanna complete them,you can even do a simple search on google for instance for the game hack niche which people have been abusing for ages for content locked offers.
And you will see the search suggestion from google is always stuff like free game hack with no human verification 2020! because people are sick and tired of fake sites showing human verification for pin submit,survey type of offers.
This simply wont work at all even with free traffic in 2020 or you make pennies like those indians youtubers promoting fake game hacks.


Also again i have to say that you really underestimate human stupidity lool ofc some people might smell bullshit from a mile away but if you target naive people there is alot of money to be made,for instance another example is those crypto offers and other shady type of offers that are now all blocked on FB yet people know how extremely profitable they can be so they still run BH ad campaigns with cloaking software even though such providers offering these are extremely pricey so it has to be worth it for the affiliate to do all of this extra shit.
Just do your research and you will see that im right on this,i was actually extremely angry i wasnt able to get in on the action back when it was still allowed on FB now im again gonna try my luck using a cloaker or possibly even just with adwords since they are a bit easier to hide ur BH shit.


But regarding growing your email list with this method thats where i think your mistaken ,you do realise that people pay alot of money for email lists where users are from tier1 countries and definitely have some money to spend.
Also how will they know that you are the same person sending them other emails in the future, since the email list is laser targeted lets say you already know they are in the gaming niche and mostly teenagers,early 20s who are interested to buy cheaper gaming related accesories like controllers etc.. im shure you can monetize this type of audience with a lil bit of imagination right?

So now im actually kinda curious how this will work and im definitely gonna try it and probably post a case study if any of you are interested.
I dont wanna share my own lil twist on this because im afraid its gonna get saturated but im just gonna say its gonna involve just growing the email list and not doing the pin submit route,i will send them something completely different which would increase the conversion rate much higher.

Worst case scenario my FB acc gets banned but again you can easily buy aged farmed accs from some providers and start all over again with antidetect browser to spoof the browser fingerprints.
Also i like what you said about those dropshipping shopify sites so if you really wanna increase your conversion rate you need to make it look super legit but what about a site like this that the OP suggested?
https://drone720x.com/ also waht is your experience in other niches like what if i dont target luxury niche can i make something fast and not bother with shopify? like i said i primarily wanna target the gaming niche for cheaper stuff.
Also if you really have alot of experience with FB ads can you tell me what is the avg cpc for that niche like u said luxury is 5$ what about gaming niche? i wanna see if my ROI will be good and actually worth it with my twist on this method.
Also did you ever try cloaking on FB for bh ads? im curious if it still works because some say its close to impossible now but then again you see so many providers selling it so its difficult to find accurate info on this.
Im aware im gonna have to do alot of testing and see what works best but im just trying to get a lil bit more info tahts all.

Anyways srry for the typos i was writing fast and eng isnt my native language.
I also wish you two would stop fighting because you both gave me some motivation to try my new twist that i came up with while reading this thread hahaha :D
 
hmmm, this method is slightly old, but will be adding to my list of experimenting tips, as maybe this could still work in 2022, or work in tandem with other methods with some new twists. :rolleyes:
 
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