UK Education system changes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55735178
I'm quite pleased with the government for doing this. However I don't want this thread to be political, so any discussion please talk about the actual educational changes.

What do you think about the skills being what employers want rather than what the education system thinks is useful?

It's about boosting "technical" work qualifications? ie. mechanics, plumbers, carpenters, nurses etc?

I don't think anyone thought that university is the only way to getting a career. Maybe they're trying to rebrand these kinds of jobs and make apprenticeship-type work more attractive to people.

Always need both, but the technical trend will be more immediate.

Both systems are needed, we have both here in Sweden, works well.

VSYNC said:

It's about boosting "technical" work qualifications? ie. mechanics, plumbers, carpenters, nurses etc?

I don't think anyone thought that university is the only way to getting a career. Maybe they're trying to rebrand these kinds of jobs and make apprenticeship-type work more attractive to people.

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My girlfriend is in a care home wanting to be a nurse, but cannot go to university due to her GCSE's, she can easily do a nursing course though, it's just they won't let her in, I've spoken to quite a few care workers and they all say university is the only way to be a nurse, not sure if this is true but that's what they think. I really hope they turn those jobs into courses where university is not required.

Too many university is the only way, because college teachers drill it into


I think it's more about people who want a specific career think university is the only route. Like, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't nursing only done through university? My girlfriend works in a care home with nurses and they all said university is the only route, and a lot of people can't get into university due to GCSE's, and that means having to go back to college, to go to university, to then become a nurse, which means years and years of no income. It makes it almost impossible if you don't go to school/college/university straight away.

I also like their extra funding so adults can retrain throughout their life, meaning if someone screwed up in college as a kid, and their now 30 and mature, they can go back if they don't have savings.

Dark Sky said:

My girlfriend is in a care home wanting to be a nurse, but cannot go to university due to her GCSE's, she can easily do a nursing course though, it's just they won't let her in, I've spoken to quite a few care workers and they all say university is the only way to be a nurse, not sure if this is true but that's what they think. I really hope they turn those jobs into courses where university is not required.

Too many university is the only way, because college teachers drill it into


I think it's more about people who want a specific career think university is the only route. Like, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't nursing only done through university? My girlfriend works in a care home with nurses and they all said university is the only route, and a lot of people can't get into university due to GCSE's, and that means having to go back to college, to go to university, to then become a nurse, which means years and years of no income. It makes it almost impossible if you don't go to school/college/university straight away.

I also like their extra funding so adults can retrain throughout their life, meaning if someone screwed up in college as a kid, and their now 30 and mature, they can go back if they don't have savings.

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Yep scratch nursing.. seems like you need a degree.

Unless here GCSE's are absolutely catastrophic she should be able to get into some university in the UK after doing a bridging course or whatever the equivalent of A-Levels are nowadays, surely?

If we get some reform coming out of this it will certainly be a good thing. Generally just bringing some of the antiquated systems and practices from education and workplace into the 21st century.

VSYNC said:

Yep scratch nursing.. seems like you need a degree.

Unless here GCSE's are absolutely catastrophic she should be able to get into some university in the UK after doing a bridging course or whatever the equivalent of A-Levels are nowadays, surely?

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Yep what's worse is many people without the GCSE's can do the course, it's not like they are not intellectual enough to do it.. many people can be nurses who can't simply because of what they got as a child. It's such an unfair system it's unreal. Holding people back based on their childhood.

The human brain doesn't fully mature until around age 25. So it's ridiculous how they can put so much weight onto your childhood education. And prevent you from going into further education. Essentially, if your parents or teachers fail you as a child, your screwed. Unless you want to redo years of education as an adult where you can't actually afford to because you can't leave your job.

Even doing a bridging course, she would have to leave her job and have no money. She doesn't even qualify for benefits because of my earnings which are only enough to pay for the bills. So she wouldn't be able to buy clothes or anything for years to become a nurse. She would literally have £0 for years. Not a penny from the gov. Not sure how she can pay tax and then the gov say it's my responsibility to pay for her?

davids355 said:

If we get some reform coming out of this it will certainly be a good thing. Generally just bringing some of the antiquated systems and practices from education and workplace into the 21st century.

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Agreed, this education system needs a reform, we have come so far in determining how education impacts life, but we haven't changed the education system to suite. Oh wait, we changed the grading from letters to numbers.

Such an outdated system. Our economy will fall behind quickly if we don't adapt. Even top economists state how important education is to a thriving economy. That's why they say instead of paying for immigrants to live in our countries, we should be using that money to build good education systems in poorer countries, as you will help 100x more people doing so.

Yeah, it's a good move, but I'd like to see more radical reform. Engineering and programing should be the main focus and get a huge boost in funding. In a zero carbon world these skills will be vital, and we should massively scale up now to be in a good place in 20 years.

dandan594594 said:

Yeah, it's a good move, but I'd like to see more radical reform. Engineering and programing should be the main focus and get a huge boost in funding. In a zero carbon world these skills will be vital, and we should massively scale up now to be in a good place in 20 years.

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Plumbers, builders, engineers etc will always be needed, and it's no longer a trade where you earn peanuts.

I'd rather hire someone who knows what they are doing, than someone with a piece of paper suggesting their research ability is good.

Education system needs some serious reforms

MisterF said:

I'd rather hire someone who knows what they are doing, than someone with a piece of paper suggesting their research ability is good.

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Research ability? For most of the mickey mouse degree courses now, many are little more than an attendance certificate!

due to pandemic, education system have to adopt new steps to provide education to the newer generation by taking care of health as well. So i think that this step has to be adopt by us. Also both of the system are important, in our area the https://pseb.online/ (board of education) also adopting this system and it's working fine here.

Share you opinions also, also correct me if I am wrong.