Uglies = Full Time Scammer...

Yesterday I saw a thread on here about Uglies trying to scam someone out of a few hundred bucks: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/shit-list/479797-warning-about-blackhat-user.html

He made right with this guy but he lied about what brought him to months without contact with the OP. Uglies said his "wife" just had a baby, was retaining water after the babies birth, then had congestive heart failure, and now has skin cancer. That's a pretty wild claim to begin with but the blatant lie is just the day before he had me wire him some money to his "girlfriend" who has a different last name as him but lives at the same residence as him. That's only the very small beginning of this guys trail of lies. I was told by Wiz to not post any personal info on Uglies so it's going to be hard to post proof since it all surrounds this guys real name. I'll try and do my best to explain what's going on and Wiz can tell me if it's okay to post the links I already sent him or not.

I emailed OP of the other thread and asked for the guys name since he wrote his initials and they were different from the guy I was dealing with via email. OP sent me his full name and sure enough it was way different from what I had. I first did a Whois of the domain I was getting emails from and I found the name that was given to OP was the name on the Whois and the address on the Whois was the address where I sent money. So now I had a match. Clearly I was being lied to about his name. OP suggested I do a Google search of this guy and let me just say WOW. I'll outline all of that below just like I outlined to Wiz but I'll remove the links until Wiz tells me whether it's okay to post them or not since they contain his personal info.

Before I start, I should point out, I don't care about the few bucks I lost. The thread isn't about me getting my money back. This thread is about a known con artist who's conned people out of at least $30,000 in the past few years...probably closer to double or triple that. This guy is on parole for being a scam artist and he's among our midst trying to scam more people. He only got $75 out of me but I'm worried about when he goes for his new big scam and rips off BHW for tens of thousands of dollars. This guy is a REAL danger. He's not the normal BHW scam artist. This guy is a seasoned veteran with a terrible track record. He must be banned immediately. On to the email I sent Wiz:

I saw this thread today: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...khat-user.html and I can vouch that this guy is indeed a scam artist. And a MAJOR one. I hired him to get me some Pay-Per-Call leads this week and today my account was suspended for suspected fraudulent activity. I found two other people on this site that had the same experience with this guy and having their Pay-Per-Call accounts suspended. Then I found a ripoff report that put the pieces together of how this guy gets leads for other peoples Pay-Per-Call accounts: http://www.ripoffreport.com/employer...-use-f046d.htm

Basically he puts out tons of help wanted ads looking for mystery callers and then when someone like me places an order with him for calls he sends the number to his new recruits and tells them exactly what to do and say only he doesn't vary the script I guess and the companies catch on and ban the person buying the leads. Then he doesn't pay his recruits even though he requests that we pay him up front. I found a ton of help wanted ads that validate this ripoff report story. http://www.oodle.com/profile/wenrac/66081647/

That's only the beginning. I knew something was up when Uglies told this other user today that his wife had skin cancer...because just yesterday I Western Unioned him money and that money was wired to his "girlfriend". Girlfriend and wife? Uh, huh...

But wait, it gets better. He lied to me about his name. His email comes from (removed) when really his name is (removed) as the OP of the SL thread stated. (Removed) confirmed to me that he is Uglies on BHW. But his website, Wenrac.com is registered to (Removed). When you Google (Removed) you find all kinds of terrible stuff. I mean message boards full of information on the scams this guy has pulled over the last ten years. There's even a Facebook profile created by people he's scammed: (link removed due to personal information)

So far I've found a police report that lists 3 counts of GTA: (link removed due to personal information)

He's an extreme racist who started a "habitat for humanity" type organization for only whites, a whites only church, and has propaganda all over the place spewing his racism: (link removed due to personal information)

You can view more on his racism here: (link removed due to personal information)

He started a scam to "give away his house" and you can read pages of those details here: (link removed due to personal information)

The Habitat for Humanity type organization I was talking about earlier, ended up being a complete scam. He scammed at least 11 people out of thousands of dollars each for a total of at least $27,500: (news story link removed due to personal information)

The Facebook page I listed above is for people he scammed with a motorcycle business. You can see some of their stories at that link. Basically he would offer to repair motorcycles and then never return them. There are tons of people there saying he stole bikes, or stole thousands of dollars.

All in all, Uglies is a HUGE scam artist. One of the biggest I've seen to date, and I've seen plenty of scam artists around this forum unfortunately. This guy HAS to be banned immediately before he tries scamming others on here. This guy is a full time scam artist. He won't deal is $100 scams. He'll take this group for $100,000 in a matter of months.

sorry for ur loss

sad to hear that there are part time scammers as well, its news to me.

pubudusoft said:

sorry for ur loss

sad to hear that there are part time scammers as well, its news to me.

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Thanks bud! It was a small loss (for me) so I'm not at all worried about my stake in this. I'm worried about the others he'll try and scam for thousands on here. That's what I'm trying to stop. This guy stole motorcycles under the guise of a repair shop, he stole tens of thousands from low income people in his home state promising to build them a house, and the list goes on. Like I said, there is a Facebook page and whole forums dedicated to people talking about this guy and his long list of scams. He has to be banned before he really does some damage here.

Well all i can say is Wow you are mad at me because your campaign got suspended and you wont show me proof that it was suspended so that I can rectify the issue so you go off on a tantrum and try to find dirt on my biz partner and all kinds of crazy accusations. Its a joke that we would rip you off of $65 not $75 and yet paid the other guy darkyman $212 dollars does that make sense.?

So Please again I ask you to send me a image of your suspended campaign so i can see it was indeed our fault and we can rectify the problem. Thanks

I sent him the info he wants so he can shut up and not try to blame me for anything. But we can already see him at work...the OP of the other thread was told by Uglies that his name was one thing and now Uglies is signed on saying his name is the guy I'm dealing with and the other guy is his business partner. Haha...oh boy. So Uglies is now both guys signing in under the same name. Right...

And remember, you had me send money to your girlfriend who just so happens to live at the same place your business partner lives at? Public records show that my friend...

I've contacted Uglies parole officer today and I can give his name and number to anyone that wants to report being frauded by this guy.

I think You should take down this thread since you are not scammed out of the money you are sending another campaign or two so we can get your leads that you ordered and Im not on parole or probation lol you got me mixed up with someone else.

uglies did you also no your breaking a bhw weather your
a scam or not i dont no - there is 1 rule your blatantly breaking.

the advert in your sig , promoting in your sig is for paid donor
members only not for regular members and you admit
you sell stuff here the company name is yours ..
so ide take it out

We Provide Callers To Your Pay Per Call Campaigns wenrac marketing

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proxygo said:

uglies did you also no your breaking a bhw weather your
a scam or not - there is 1 rule your blatantly breaking.

the advert in your sig , promoting in your sig is for paid donor
members only not for regular members and you admit
you sell stuff here the company name is yours ..
so ide take it out

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Im sorry didnt know that i was breaking the rules thanks for point that out and I will take care of it right now.

np - yes paid donors gets to have pics/links in there sig
as well as advert for there product/company.
regular members no, that's part of how bhw makes its
money its a paid service privilege . if i didn't tell you
sooner or later a mod probably would.

Wenrac Marketing indeed has a shitty rep on the Internet and the "TF" guy is proven to be a complete scammer, convict and Nazi dumbass. Whether that is "Uglies" or his "business partner" really means nothing. Just stay the hell away from anything to do with either since they are "business partners."

OP,

You called his probation officer over $65? are you kidding me, we didn't even rip you off or nothing and your causing all this trouble? man that's just shitty of ya to cause the dude trouble, he renounced his past years ago and people like you wont let him live it down. I know the guy to be a good family man who trusts in his god. You shouldn't of done this to him that's not cool. We even offered to do other campaigns for ya at no cost to make sure your happy........this is crappy of ya.

2 shitlist again one person in 2 consecutive days, creepy !

uglies said:

You called his probation officer over $65? are you kidding me, we didn't even rip you off or nothing and your causing all this trouble? man that's just shitty of ya to cause the dude trouble, he renounced his past years ago and people like you wont let him live it down. I know the guy to be a good family man who trusts in his god. You shouldn't of done this to him that's not cool. We even offered to do other campaigns for ya at no cost to make sure your happy........this is crappy of ya.........Mark

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As previously stated to you directly, to BHW, and to your parole officer, I have no need to get my $65 back ($75 after WU fee). I'm more concerned about you scamming others on this site. And what do you mean I've got the wrong guy? You just told another member that you were TF...there was a whole thread dedicated to this yesterday. You told me your name was Mark, you told another guy your name was TF, now you're telling everyone you two are business partners. Mark doesn't exist. You told me you'd send a picture of yourself and your drivers license if I sent you the proof that my campaign was suspended. I did my end, what about yours?

Also, see post above from brwipens. This isn't hard detective work. A simple Whois of Wenrac.com gives us your name. Then a simple Google search of your name brings up your mugshot and TONS of threads about you scamming people with all kinds of different scams. You even asked me to call you earlier at a number that when you Google, it comes back with the TF name. Then magically TF calls me from that number Mark said to call him at. I guess you guys share a phone too? Or you are in the same office or some crap. Post proof that Mark exists.

Where are the mods to ban this guy?

I've asked "Mark" to provide me with some more leads so we'll see what excuse he uses not to provide them since he already said he would. If he does provide them, I'm certain I'll be suspended from that campaign...at this point I think we have enough evidence but what the hay.

below_radar_00 said:

I've asked "Mark" to provide me with some more leads so we'll see what excuse he uses not to provide them since he already said he would. If he does provide them, I'm certain I'll be suspended from that campaign...at this point I think we have enough evidence but what the hay.

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Like I said OP we will be happy to remedy the issue , i just cant belive your causing all this trouble over $65 and less than 24hrs to make you happy, must be you have an uterial motive and thats fine . im going to go ahead and start your campaign again on monday since today is friday and we both know most of the companies are closing and it takes me a few hours to setup your new campaigns. IF they get suspended id be shocked since we have alot of clients running the same campaigns and not one of them has been suspended infact in the last two years we only had two accounts suspended and one kicked off the network thats not bad.

HI OP still no emails from you with the new campaigns yes send them over and they will be taken care of.

Permbanned uglies. This isn't the first accusation, probably won't be the last. See here.

While the shitlist provides a sort of leverage to help with resolution of disputes, I can't stand people that only make things right after being shitlisted. Especially multiple times. We don't need scumbags like that around here.

bz said:

Permbanned uglies. This isn't the first accusation, probably won't be the last. See here.
While the shitlist provides a sort of leverage to help with resolution of disputes, I can't stand people that only make things right after being shitlisted. Especially multiple times. We don't need scumbags like that around here.

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i like this mod - he speaks my language

scumbags

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I'm here to post an important update:

The AM who suspended my account last Thursday emailed me today (he emailed me, I did not email him). He told me that my account was being reinstated and I was getting a pay raise. He told me the suspected fraud didn't really seem to be fraud after a manual review. Apparently 2 of the 30 calls Uglies delivered gave bogus return phone numbers and that's what triggered the ban. But potential customers leave bogus info from time to time to avoid sales calls or if they aren't ready to purchase yet, or if they weren't totally interested in the first place and just wanted to gather information. My AM told me that 14 out of the 30 calls turned into "leads". He can't tell me if they converted or not as he doesn't have that information but he said that my conversion ratio from calls to leads was standard so that's a good sign. He also said he listened to several of my phone calls and they all seemed legitimate.

I say all that to now say that it appears Uglies was delivering legitimate calls after all. I emailed him right when I heard from my AM and I told him if the calls were legit I would issue a public apology and I'd email the MODS to try and get him re-instated. I've done the latter so now I'm issuing my public apology. I'm actually going to go round two with Uglies either tomorrow or Monday and I'll contact my AM after the run to see if there are any issues.

Now I can't turn a blind eye to the past of Uglies business partners previous record but there's always that chance that he's turned over a new leaf and found something that works legitimately. There's still the obvious chance that this was a scam but he got lucky this go round but after seeing the evidence from my AM, I feel more confident that there's a chance of it being legitimate, hence I'm going for a round two. If I keep getting complaints from my AM then obviously I'll put a stop to this again but for now, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and offer an apology to him if I wronged him in all of this. I'll be sure to keep everyone posted on this. If the 20th of next month comes around and I get the check for these calls, I'll be repping Uglies service all over here. We'll find out for sure in a little over a month!