[TUT] Foolproof, Failproof and Free SEO for Newbs
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LovervsFighter
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First up - great tutorial. Simple and easy-to-follow which is always helpful.
I've been doing something fairly similar for a while now although I was one of those people who fell into the trap of knocking out 4-5 posts, all with money site links and then sat there scratching my head trying to figure out why they were getting de-indexed so frequently.
I've taken action this afternoon and started building some web 2.0 properties based on your recommendations. I obviously won't see results for a little while but I've completed 3 properties in total today with 10-12 posts each all scheduled up. I've just been writing the posts with whatever spills out of my brain and onto the page. Honestly, it is actually a little fun because you're not required to stick to the same-old, same-old format each time. Despite the high volume of content my mind actually feels fresher now than when I was writing those 4-5 niche articles per property.
I know it is hard to estimate these kind of things but, say you found a niche and were targeting 5 - 10 keywords all around 1k global searches a month with low-medium competiton. Just based on your experiences using this approach, what do you think is a rough, yet reasonable time frame to start expecting to see some solid ranking results? Naturally there are always outside factors, I'm just interested to pick your brain a little re: how effective this can be in full flight.
Thanks again for the brilliant post. Anything that is panda/penguin/dinosaur(?) safe is a big plus. I'm certain it's gonna help a lot of people on here; or at least those willing to put in the work.
P.S. - Sorry, just one last thing to push my luck!
When you've made a 2.0 that has 20 or so posts, is the aim to KEEP building on that particular property again and again until you're sitting on 15-20 web 2.0s with hundreds of pages of content each, or do you make your 20 or so posts, include your money site link in their somewhere and then start an entirely new wave of 20+ page web 2.0s (different email address/account etc)?
I know I haven't worded that last past in the most efficent of ways but it's midnight here and that's the most clear I could be. I hope you can get what I'm asking there
I've been doing something fairly similar for a while now although I was one of those people who fell into the trap of knocking out 4-5 posts, all with money site links and then sat there scratching my head trying to figure out why they were getting de-indexed so frequently.
I've taken action this afternoon and started building some web 2.0 properties based on your recommendations. I obviously won't see results for a little while but I've completed 3 properties in total today with 10-12 posts each all scheduled up. I've just been writing the posts with whatever spills out of my brain and onto the page. Honestly, it is actually a little fun because you're not required to stick to the same-old, same-old format each time. Despite the high volume of content my mind actually feels fresher now than when I was writing those 4-5 niche articles per property.
I know it is hard to estimate these kind of things but, say you found a niche and were targeting 5 - 10 keywords all around 1k global searches a month with low-medium competiton. Just based on your experiences using this approach, what do you think is a rough, yet reasonable time frame to start expecting to see some solid ranking results? Naturally there are always outside factors, I'm just interested to pick your brain a little re: how effective this can be in full flight.
Thanks again for the brilliant post. Anything that is panda/penguin/dinosaur(?) safe is a big plus. I'm certain it's gonna help a lot of people on here; or at least those willing to put in the work.
P.S. - Sorry, just one last thing to push my luck!
When you've made a 2.0 that has 20 or so posts, is the aim to KEEP building on that particular property again and again until you're sitting on 15-20 web 2.0s with hundreds of pages of content each, or do you make your 20 or so posts, include your money site link in their somewhere and then start an entirely new wave of 20+ page web 2.0s (different email address/account etc)?I know I haven't worded that last past in the most efficent of ways but it's midnight here and that's the most clear I could be. I hope you can get what I'm asking there
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LBrown
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It could be anywhere from 100-800 words. I'd say most are 200-400. Remember you're not writing these, you're speaking them with Dragon Naturally Speaking. Speak all your thoughts on a topic then you're done. Sometimes your thoughts will be concise and you'll be done in a few minutes. Sometimes you get pretty crazy and go into insane details about this and that and before you know it you've got 1000 words.
This is so important and something people won't see until they start doing it. This is the most sustainable method. It looks intimidating on paper but once you get going it's not. Good for you for getting started!
I usually see first page within a month, #1 within 2-3 months. I often speed this up by being more aggressive but first page within month is a good estimate.
P.S. - Sorry, just one last thing to push my luck!
Start entirely new waves of web 2.0s after your 20ish posts.
LovervsFighter
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So those 18-19 posts are essentially just acting as a buffer? That way when Google swings on past they see an in-progress blog as opposed to 4 pages pointing blatantly towards another site, right?
LBrown
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Exactly!
I prefer blog platforms but you should do both. My favorites are blogspot, tumlr and wordpress (and this method is the only way to post consistently on wordpress). The lower the alexa rank of a site, the more I post there.
LovervsFighter
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When you're knocking out your 20-odd posts per property, LBrown. Is it a hard-and-fast rule to stick to 1 post with moneysite links in it?
I understand the point is to provide 'padding' around these links, however, at what point do you think you could stretch it to in order to get the most value out of the hard work you put into the property?
Say a Weebly.com site had 22 posts, would 3 of them containing links the the money site (altering anchor text) but too heavy, for example?
I understand the point is to provide 'padding' around these links, however, at what point do you think you could stretch it to in order to get the most value out of the hard work you put into the property?
Say a Weebly.com site had 22 posts, would 3 of them containing links the the money site (altering anchor text) but too heavy, for example?
Yep, and i'm already making use of your suggestion! Currently i'm writing 5-10 word based posts and fill the gaps with funny or cute pictures (with short commentaries).
I have to say that i kind of waited for someone to say that creating very real looking miniblogs is the way to go. In the past, i'd write 1-3 introductionary posts before i would link to my moneysite. I guess that's ok if you are not overdoing it. Unfortunatly, nobody knows how quickly google recognizes a footprint of this sorts. Writing mini blogs is certainly a lot of work, but what one should not forget is the fact that these small sites propably carry more weight because of their size. There might even be the chance on getting some long tail traffic to them which can be sent to your money site.
One i dea i just had: Why not make sure that your internal linking is also proper? What is stopping you from linking to your monesy site post internally? This way, one could also leverage any linkbuilding done to the homepage.
Thanks for the compliment, it feels good to know that i'm being understood
At least on the level of language, that is.
LBrown
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The more links you have the higher the risk of footprints. If you have 40 web 2.0s and they all point to the same 3 websites that will be fairly obvious.
No, it is not a hard and fast rule but break it discretely.
Interlinking certainly adds value. It won't help as much as external links but it is a good tactic to use and doesn't take much time to implement.
virul_indi
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Thanks for this.
IMpossible
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Very basic yet useful tutorial.
TwistedSEO
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How does this apply if I'm promoting 20 sites? Is it okay in your opinion to have each post target a different website?
Would it be a big footprint if I have 70 properties and all of them target the same 20 websites?
Would it be a big footprint if I have 70 properties and all of them target the same 20 websites?
LBrown
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With 20 sites you should be integrating the advanced techniques. If you haven't had success with SEO yet you shouldn't have 20 sites IMO. If you have had success, integrate what will work with your current system.
Yes, that would be an obvious footprint if you had 70 properties all linking to your 20 sites.
TwistedSEO
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The 20 sites is a combination of both unsuccessful and newer successful sites. I promote all the sites with these same tier 1s, the only difference is the ones that are doing well have multiple backlinks coming from each blog in the form of syndicated content.
The reason I'm wondering about the footprint is because when I use unique articles and every blog links to the same websites, I see very slow rankings (sometimes 4-6 months for first page). However, when I syndicate the content right from my money site onto the blog from these same tier 1s multiple times (3-6 times on each web 2.0), I see really fast results (rankings in under a month). I am still in the process of figuring out my "current system." So far these results have been consistent for about 5 months. My guess is that google sees it as natural for bloggers to curate content they like and link back to it, but I have no clue if this is the reason.
You've shared great information here and I'm going to assimilate what I've learned into my own system and hopefully complete my own failproof seo.
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VIC SEO
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In my experience with Dragon Naturally Speaking there are allot of errors. I think hand writing your content can be even better and require less editing. Maybe it has gotten better since I used it a long time ago but I think that hand writing keyword optimized content is one of the best ways to rank inside the major search engines. Either way thanks for your guide.