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Trying to fix no keywords in url

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by loneaspen, Jul 9, 2010.

  1. loneaspen

    loneaspen Newbie

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    I have a site that ranks kinda low (51st), but always just below the ones that have the keyword/phrase I want in the url.

    Might be url/pool for competitors, but for me I got something like blahblah and nothing has pool,online or games in it.

    Am I better of to restructure site so it's blahblah/poolgames/ or am I better off going to a subdomain like games.blahblah? I'm looking for whatever will cause the least hit to my sites search ranking as possible, and I'm kinda worried about the 10,000 pages indexed that will be dead after the move.
     
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    subdomain and directory doesn't have much difference... Although sub domains are treated more like separate domains so unless your niches are completely different and you don't need different sites for them, i will suggest to go for directory option...

    I mean url/pool or whatever...
     
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  3. macpaulos

    macpaulos Regular Member

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    I think he means should he redo all the pages for more keyword orientated names. Could do that and redirect....but with all those pages would be hell
     
  4. loneaspen

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    So google sees my site as blahblah , and it automatically pulls up default.aspx. Should I 301 from default.aspx to /poolgames? (just move the main page, leave the rest of the site still standing where it was) I'm not sure how to set this up without massive lose in rating from search engines.

    Am I on the right track to get then to index that page properly?

    I guess the other option is to make a simple page that wont index well, with a click play button (link to /poolgames), then they might index the new url? I'm not sure how this is gonna work. And I don't want to mess up at all, will hurt too much.

    Everything people need to know is on the homepage, its one click to join a lobby to play if they checked remember me on login, very simple and easy to get in.

    I would say something for answering but filter wont let me....

    If you want to take a look at site google my username here, at least I got that keyword owned, lol. That might help, just the front page should be enough to realize the problem.
     
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  5. ipopbb

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    games
    6 out of the top 10 don't games have anywhere in the URL.
    PR6 minimum in top 10
    0 out of top 10 don't have dmoz.org link
    0 out of top 10 don't have yahoo directory link

    Keyword Matches in Source for #10: (minimum tuning to get page 1)
    online: 13
    pool: 0
    games: 80

    pool games
    2 out of the top 10 don't have either in the URL.
    7 out of the top 10 don't have a phrase match in the URL.
    5 out of the top 10 are PR3 or less.
    3 out of top 10 don't have dmoz.org link
    1 out of top 10 don't have yahoo directory link

    Keyword Matches in Source for #10: (minimum tuning to get page 1)
    online: 0
    pool: > 100
    games: 35

    online games
    4 out of the top 10 don't have either of the words in the URL.
    7 out of the top 10 don't have a phrase match in the URL.
    1 out of the top 10 are PR3 or less.
    0 out of top 10 don't have dmoz.org link
    0 out of top 10 don't have yahoo directory link

    Keyword Matches in Source for #10: (minimum tuning to get page 1)
    online: 15
    pool: 0
    games: 80


    Your Niche:

    online pool games
    3 out of the top 10 don't have any of the words in the URL.
    9 out of the top 10 don't have a phrase match in the URL.
    4 out of the top 10 are PR3 or less.
    4 out of top 10 don't have dmoz.org link
    3 out of top 10 don't have yahoo directory link

    Keyword Matches in Source for #10: (minimum tuning to get page 1)
    online: > 100
    pool: > 100
    games: 15


    My Analysis from a glance:

    For you niche, your URL isn't the problem.

    To be competitive you want to have at least the following:

    * At least 100 matches of each of the three keywords somewhere in the source code... get clever... alt text, full urls, CSS class names, title attributes, image maps etc...
    * Linkbuild to at least PR3 www . poolgameonline . com/ has PR3 and # 6 on page 1 (without having yahoo or dmoz links) and the fewest backlinks 2,690
    * Use best title which is <title>Online pool games</title>
    * Use meta description which is "Online pool games that are fun and free."

    Without those in place you don't stand a chance.

    To be aggressive once you are top 20 consider the following:

    * Put keywords in the URL path www . ... . com/online-pool-games
    * Buy a yahoo link for $300 per year
    * Submit for Dmoz inclusion monthly and pray



    And that's how its done in my world. ;)
     
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  6. loneaspen

    loneaspen Newbie

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    I never heard of class names counting before, but if you say so, it's done. What is the tool you used to do that report? If you could, could you scan my site once now, I changed a ton of things, mainly css class names because that doesn't mess up the site, and it "looks" like it's supposed to be there.
     
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    I Just looked at your keywords in google and based on what I saw on page one made some recommendations... I never looked at your site at all. Didn't need to. ;)
     
  8. loneaspen

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    Haha. Well I did alot of what you said, and it really bumped up my traffic. For some terms I'm pulling page one on google now. I had to switch my favored terms for something different though, since competition was kinda rough on that one.

    But for alot of terms now I'm waivering between 6-11, most on page 1. That will help ALOT. Position seems to change hourly, wierd.

    I think with a tad more tuning, I can stay solid on page one for all of them, save 1.