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Tranny PBNs... Stop Buying Fake Guest Posts

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by ThopHayt, May 28, 2017.

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  1. ThopHayt

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    Is anybody else getting sick of the trend of sellers selling "Guest Posts" that are actually just PBNs? I've noticed it (not just around here, but absolutely EVERYWHERE) is becoming a problem.

    Here's How To Spot The Fakes:
    I'll get an offer on a "guest post" or a "outreach post" and I'll dig a little into the site. Run it through SemRush or Ahrefs and look at the traffic.

    A) The first thing most the fakes have in common is little if any traffic. Don't waste money on an "authority" site with zero traffic, huge red flag.

    B) Then take a look at the site through the WayBackMachine... you'll probably see it's changed ownership within the last year or two. Some smart fakers necromancer dead/dropped sites that USED TO BE real, so keep an eye on the details.

    C) Next look for an SSL on the site. Any REAL site that's successful will be https SSL secured, with a certificate. If they are too broke to buy an SSL, but want $100 for a post they can go f*ck off.

    D) Actually dig in and READ the articles on the site. You'll notice that they are all usually promotional and contain links to shitty sites that barely fit the niche. Once you've read (and written) enough bullshit you gain the ability to spot it. You'll never see articles without any links, this is another red flag as the fake PBN owners don't waste money posting articles they don't get paid to place links in.

    E) Look at the copyright in the footer... you'll notice that this "blog" has only been around a year or two and yet is asking you for $$$. You'll rarely see a company name in the copyright as well, as those who necromance dead sites don't want to claim ownership of a dead site they essentially stole. Even if it were real, a 6 month old blog is horse crap.

    F) Look at the contact and about information, you'll usually not see a real email quoted in fake sites. At most you'll see a "message us" function, though some throw in an email... that isn't from the site. Unless they have a legit email like [email protected] they're fly by night in my book. Gmail or other public email is another red flag.

    G) Common Wordpress themes... if you know WP you'll be able to spot common themes. If it looks familiar chances are you need to dig deeper.

    H) Look for Robot Blocking... only PBNs block bots.

    I) When you contact the site "owner" they want to rent you links by the year or month like a PBN. Obvious sign, but don't be fooled. Waste of money, folks.

    J) The site lacks a depth of pages. You'll see articles, archives, and the normal contact/about/etc... but nothing "extra" as far as pages or resources. Real sites tend to have a little more that the bare minimum, so if you see a site with Home/Articles/Archive/About/Contact you need to dig deeper.

    K) Ridiculous domain names... when you see a blog on X niche with a name that is REALLY odd for that niche it is a possible sign that the owner chose that domain purely for metrics... like PBN owners do. Which is yet another sign you need to dig deeper and be sure to examine the history and link profile of that domain.

    L) Social Profiles... check the social profiles deeply and see if they contribute link-free posts on a regular basis, or if they just shout out every new paid post they sell.

    And as an ending statement here I'd like to encourage mods here in the Marketplace for keep a sharp eye out for sellers mislabeling their services. I know with guest posts it is VERY hard to screen them out because the sellers of course will give mods legit sites, but cleaning out the fakers is in my opinion extremely important for the market. If any of you reading this have encountered sellers dealing in fakes I encourage you to alert the mods.

    -ThopHayt
     
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  2. oscilay

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    Some of them are not even decent PBNs. Throw them in wayback and you see all kind of chinese shit. Yet the moderator has approved the service and said he verified with the seller for the outreach emails. Probably some fake e-mails.
     
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  3. gman777

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    If they promise me a guest post, yet they provide a PBN, is it immoral if I report them to google?
     
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    But, but, but... If they call it a "guest post" they can usually command more for less...
     
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  5. yesyoucan1

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    I was just thinking about that. More. I was thinking about some kind of feedback in the thread, like the "thanks" or something, so we could figure the good and the bad ones. There are too many services and I can't see through the shit without wasting money.
     
  6. oscilay

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    Well... that site might link to yours.
     
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    The main problem is the quality review here on BHW. With all due respect, service that promises guest posts and yet, only provides shit PBN links on even more shit domain should never pass the review. I would ban anyone who would even attempt to pass a sales thread promising real stuff and selling crap. Because that's a straightforward fraud and you can call it whatever you want, it's a fraud. At the very best, a fraud attempt. End of story.

    And if the only defense is that "sales thread" does not mention that guest posts are "real", well then thank you. It's like selling rotten apples to someone, arguing that nobody has ever mentioned they won't be rotten. Some things should come naturally.
     
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    They're selling to each other as well
     
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    The mods would never pass a BST that offers shit PBN links during the review process.

    What happens is these sellers put their best foot forward for the mod review, then soon - or immediately - after, drop their quality.

    To combat this, the mods ask that you leave a review. But people are scared that they will get neg SEO if they do. So people continue to sell shit bc they're getting away with it.

    Or, you can ask the mod to see the review copy they got and compare it to what you bought. If it isn't the same, report them.

    This complaint pops up at least once a week around here. "Wahhhh! The SEO services in the marketplace suck! Wahhhh!"

    Maybe you guys need to stop buying PBN and guest post services in the marketplace. Just build your own or go find them somewhere else.
     
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  10. Nargil

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    Oh you are so naive...

    Yesterday (and this wasn't first nor last time) I had a client complaining to me about the review copy he received. PBN domain spammed with crap anchors to hell. Other people receiving review copies reported the same in the sales thread. If someone is clueless about what he/she is selling, then he can't simply differentiate between what he/she is giving to mods and what to clients. Some sellers can, most can't. I will gladly take a look at the PBN links that mods have received and objectively evaluate them. I have no problem with that and will gladly do it.

    I am sure that there are some orders from up top to let through even crap services, and that's fine, this is a privately owned forum and its primary purpose is to make money. I have no issues with that. But let's not act like there's some super tight quality control. That's either dumb or hypocritical or both and crap services are becoming a standard.

    Also, I haven't bought a linkbuilding service here since... I can't even remember.

    Ah yes, and don't forget to stone me alive for my opinions. :) I am sure that clients who actually report crap services do not get the same treatment. :) #sarcasm

    And about this part - Oh yes, just like a highly valued old member would never resell crap services within BHW and rip people off. :) That has never happened here ever. :)
     
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  11. mickyfu

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    Yeah, I paid $700 and odd for three shit, and I mean shit PBN posts here. Also recently bought some PBN links, and it is obvious that the domains are just old churn and burn domains.
     
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    Oh your head is so far up your ass.

    I'd love to keep discussing this, but this is very clearly a post designed to stroke your ego.

    You sell expired domains, yet you want to "objectively look at the review copies" the mods recieved. How's that gonna happen, exactly? These PBNs are built on expired domains so you can systematically go through them, proclaim they are all garbage, and then suggest people build PBNs with your domains, or domains that match your criteria - which you happen to sell.

    Kind of like me "objectively" evaluating the content writing section. :rolleyes:

    Or, how about you set up your own PBN, sell links on the marketplace, and show them how it's done sport?

    I've only given suggestions and info that the mods have posted time and again on the forum. I did exaggerate by saying "never" so excuse me for getting your panties twisted. But I am clearly out of my league here, so I will take my leave of this thread.

    Tatty bai.
     
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  13. Nargil

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    Oh yes, it's all one huge conspiracy on my end to boost my profits, you got me. :)))

    If domain is spammed, it's spammed. There's no "maybe". Either it's fine or is not, end of story. And with the domains that can be found in the marketplace, it's never really even close between the two. And you very well no, that content is something completely different. I get X PMs a day from people to either check the domains they purchased or found. If someone doubts my objectivity, they are welcome to say so. In the end, that was merely a suggestion. And if you cannot objectively evaluate content of your competitors, well, then that's your problem buddy, not everyone lacks this ability.

    And about the "suggestion that mods have posted time and time again", well, that one surely helped from the looks of the marketplace or even from the looks of this thread... not. So maybe it's time to look at the problem from a different side.

    And about me selling links... I've been talking merely about the domains. I do not care how the PBNs themselves are built, though I wouldn't expect much from them. And as I have said, I would gladly evaluate the domains to "show how it's done". But you just told me I am unable to do that objectively, so not sure what you want from me buddy. :)

    And please, either provide some arguments or at least stop acting like a butthurt teenage girl, it's pathetic.
     
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    That's like throwing a grenade on your own foot.
     
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    All are shit kind of. One of my friends bought some links as rent from so-called PBN Guru 2 weeks back for his client. (Not from BHW) All keywords are on the 2nd page, and after two weeks it's nowhere in 300. I told him, its the real power of your Guru's link :D:D
     
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    Nah. We both said our piece, no need to argue further. We both have better things to do.
     
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    You better do or if you have that free time then check some domains for me :D:D:p:p
     
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    Exactly. I blame the moderators more so than the shit service providers. I shouldn't have to be the one to pay for a review copy, and properly review the service instead of the moderator - whose job it is. I was recently burned by a seller that was selling fake guest posts that were disguised as shitty PBNs, all while the moderator gave the seller a thumbs job. The funny thing was how the moderator commented that he/she noticed social media activity on the blogs, but he did such a poor job in reviewing the site that he didn't realize that the seller used a fake screenshot of social media stats and just plugged it into the PBNs.

    Anyhow, I now do all my own outreach.
     
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    @bartosimpsonio If the pin isn't pulled yet, that's fine by me.


    @MoneyValue Yea dude, but remember that IKS said that he/she rejects about 70% of the BSTs, so you can imagine how cancerous they are if the left 30% are bad as well on average. If they would reject every bad seller, probably Marketplace will be a ghost town.

    But, yeah, I agree with you. You feel cheated for buying something shitty, I agree with you. I'd feel the same.

    If you want a good job, do it by your hand.
     
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