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trackback/pingback spam in large?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO Tools' started by cooooookies, Jan 9, 2010.

  1. cooooookies

    cooooookies Senior Member

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    Sending trackbacks from your home computer does not make sense anymore as far as I can see. Validators check if the source url exists, if there is a backlink and if the sending IP coincides with the source url domain.

    But what about sending directly through your splog and so unsuring that the points above are fulfilled?

    When doing it at a large scale, askimet will presumably catch you. And the usual problem, that many (?) blogs disabled trackback/pingback. Is the method dead?

    What are your thoughts?
     
  2. cooooookies

    cooooookies Senior Member

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    Bump? Is doing that so over-genius that nobody dares to comment or just old and dumb and will lead to nothing?

    In detail:

    I want to do this on a large scale for many domains like scraping for relevant blogs, checking for trackpack/pingback capability, storing possible targets in a nodes-database (like XR anti-spam system).

    Then, I go through all my blog urls, check in nodes for a relevant blog, search this blog randomly for matching posts and "post" via adapted wordpress xmlrpc.php. Whilst posting, the corresponding target urls are stored in a database and a further module shows only say only the last 10 post/pingback urls to the target sites (to prevent having millions of outgoing links both well for human review from the target url as well as not having to many outgoing links) within my content. This should ensure that non-askimet validation has no chance to determine if spam or not.

    What do you guys think?
     
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  3. Realign02

    Realign02 Regular Member

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    Trackbacking has gone way down hill from what it used to be. I remember when Joe Tierney came out with track back generator.. made some crazy money with it. Big G finally caught on to it.

    Trackback/pinging aren't pointless but far less effective.
     
  4. cooooookies

    cooooookies Senior Member

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    I investigated a little and saw, that the usual trackback spam programs use
    1) home IP
    2) don't post to relevant blogs.

    I have the slight hope that G does not catcha this methodology, and I red that blog administrators are complaining, that there is spam coming through which is not caught by non-askimet filters. So there are (still?) persons doing it. I think, the major questions are, if there are enoug open blogs are humans moderators, which will accept pingback/trackback for non 100% matching blogs and if askimet is so clever to block most spam.
     
  5. blackhaze

    blackhaze Power Member

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    i think you know more about this than many users on here :) Yes, if akismet cross checks IPs...that's a problem.
    I didnt know that since i dont know how akismet works - but what you say makes a lot of sense.

    The idea with doing this from the server is good...it would solve the IP problem for sure...if you make a tool like that i am certainly interested :)
     
  6. cooooookies

    cooooookies Senior Member

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    Thanks blackhaze.

    Where are all those trackback/pingback spammers? This was so popular some time ago and found for long time no mentioning here on BHW.
     
  7. Griffin

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    Trackback spam is still viable, but with plugins like WP-HashCash in place, it's harder to automate. Plugins like that also block many legit trackbacks, but no one really cares (I mean, it's trackback). Meanwhile, the only real way to protect yourself from trackback spam is to not display links to your page.

    A really great ping generator would:

    • Be a script on your site (for IP match)
    • Make temporary pages (for page verification)
    • Those pages would have related content with your keywords (content match)
    • Pages ping certain pre-defined sites, with 1 link per page (for link farm check)
    • After a couple of days (thwarts manual moderation), the pages disappear and your 404 redirects to a page you want them to see (for human visitors)
    There are lots of downsides, not just from The Big G, but from the possibility that Akismet (etc) would blacklist your site. This also requires tons of patience, time and work to really work right -- and most people don't care enough to spend that time. For most, it's just easier to buy links ;-)
     
  8. cooooookies

    cooooookies Senior Member

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    Link buying... nah.

    I already implemented my stuff. The next days I will start mass pinging and look how well it sticks. Having abused XRumer, autopligg and my own stuff for cheap spam, I learnt my lesson... You must be halfway targetted, otherwise your links vanish or are worth 0.00000