To all my fellow Americans

JustUs said:

Happy Thanksgiving. Even if it is a lie.

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Capo Dei Capi said:

How wouldn't it true, it was documented by several of the early settlers at the time(of course it was just the usual Harvest Festival back then). Hollywood, and the Media may have taken liberties with it and changed some things around for tv shows/movies and news reporting over the past few decades. Thanksgiving is the modern version of those early harvest festivals.

Happy Thanksgiving.

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JustUs said:

There was this Indian, Squanto of the Wampanoag tribe, that was captured by the English explorers and sold into slavery in Spain. He was set free by monks. At the time of the settlers landing at New Plymouth, there had been a plague that killed about 14 million Indians. Squanto led the ships to an abandoned Indian village that had cabins already built by the tribe that died in that village.

Disclaimer: I am a card carrying wagon burner registered with the Mattaponi tribe. This is the tribe that allowed Captain John Smith onto American shores, and whose Chiefs daughter, Pocahontas, married. My other primary lineage is Scandanavian.

Never-the-less, have a happy Thanksgiving.

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Capo Dei Capi said:

She married John Wolfe not John Smith

Also how did they allow john smith on shore if the land was already owned by the company he was working for. The Virginia company of London was the first ever property owners of the lands of Virginia in history.

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JustUs said:

Yes I made a mistake on Smith and was coming back to correct it and you had already responded.

Incidently, it is John Rolfe and not John Wolfe.

The Virginia Company were not the owners of the land. They were in a state of war with several tribes because of the settling of that land and the building of a fort. This also includes the Mattaponi. Powhatan led the main political and military power facing the early colonists, was probably the older brother of Opechancanough, who led attacks against the English in 1622 and 1644.

If you want to push it, this is what happens when you allow illegal immigration.

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Capo Dei Capi said:

Did the tribes ever file any property deeds or have signed treaties with other tribes and a constitution ? If not then they weren't actually land owners of the land and instead just living on it.

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JustUs said:

The real question would be: Did either of the Virginia Companies (Loudan and Plymouth Colony) file deeds, or have signed treaties or property deeds. The answer is No, they did not. They had a charter from King James 1 of England to explore the territory. Neither company filed its charter, and King James did not own the land.

The Indians of the Iroquois nation, which the Mattaponi were members of, and of which Powhatan was a war and political chief of, had an understanding among themselves. Since Indian writing was not developed by Sequoyah of the Cherokee until around 1809, of course there would be no written treaty or property deeds at the time.

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Capo Dei Capi said:

So the first true property owners without a question would be when the colony was setup by the British a few years later in 1624.

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Capo Dei Capi said:

Did the tribes ever file any property deeds or have signed treaties with other tribes and a constitution ? If not then they weren't actually land owners of the land and instead just living on it.

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jazzc said:

This one easily ranks on the top 5 of your most obnoxiously stupid comments. Can't say that you aren't a talented troll though.

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jazzc said:

This one easily ranks on the top 5 of your most obnoxiously stupid comments. Can't say that you aren't a talented troll though.

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Capo Dei Capi said:

It brings something funny to the long standing issue about things that happened so long ago, that they don't matter anymore.

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