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[Tips]How to avoid mass account ban on youtube!

Discussion in 'YouTube' started by tronox, Jul 29, 2013.

  1. tronox

    tronox Power Member

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    After working for some time with youtube + ppd/cpa I have been testing some things about mass ban.
    I'd like to share my experience about things you should avoid doing if you do not want to get slapped by youtube.
    I have noticed that there are 2 types of bans.
    A massive ban and a TOS ban.

    TOS ban is simple - it occurs when someone flags your video then it gets taken down while you receive a strike.


    It is popular belief that you get 1 strike per 1 video.I tested this thing myself - I uploaded 10 p0rn videos.Flagged 4 of them and after about 5 minutes they were all taken down giving me ONLY 1 community guidelines strike.After that I flagged another 3 videos.Again all 3 of them were removed by giving me only 1 strike and when I flagged remaining ones I only then got my account suspended.I think same goes for other types of videos.I HAVEN'T TESTED THAT YET.

    MASS ban - when chain of accounts gets banned at the exact same time.

    First time I got mass ban I noticed that videos accounts which were created in long period from one another weren't banned.One was created february 21 and the next one only at mid-march.So it gives us about 3 weeks+ . Also my old yt account ( about 6 years old) was not banned either.Other accounts were wiped out even though half of them had nothing to do with violating TOS,I haven't boosted them or anything like that.Only bad thing about them is that they were created in short period ( 24h>).

    Second time I got mass ban I was smart enough to use shared VPN's to test if mobile phone number gets account chained - related to one another like creating all from same ip.I was right this time because all of my accounts were banned at exact same time even though I created every account with different ip.I wanted to trigger the chain reaction, I knew that shared VPN's weren't the best place to create accounts since there are a lot of people who also use same FREE ip's and everyone of them was packed with accounts.So now I know that even a simple phone number gets all your accounts chained.It's like barrel full of gasoline.It only takes 1 little match to f**k things up.

    I tried to create 1 account per week from my original IP and I haven't gotten a mass ban since.I was using same phone number for all of them.3 weeks had passed - 4 accounts created.I think this time I might be right about my mass ban theory.

    Although you won't get mass banned if you create low amount of accounts in short period and won't boost them.It takes something to trigger the mass ban.For example - you create 2 accounts, keep active on them, don't boost anything and keep things natural.

    Different story with mass account creating.
    Lets say you create 10 accounts in same day - upload videos only to 1 account and keep other 9 untouched.
    If you boost videos early in that one account you will trigger the effect.I mean you might not get banned the same day or week, but when the mass ban occurs it wipes all of 10 accounts even though 9 of them had nothing to do with violating toss.
    The more videos you will boost the faster you will get banned.It is question of time once its triggered. :bs2:


    I tested things myself.I created 20 accounts in 1 week period 15 of them had videos in them and other 5 hadn't.All from same IP.They were untouched.Boosted video early - mass ban was triggered, but only after 1 week.All of the accounts were wiped - the ones with videos and the ones without videos --ALL OF THEM--

    Things that trigger mass ban - early boosting,mass account creation,previously banned and re uploaded videos with same md5 <---
    Strangely enough TOS ban does not mix into the stew :plane:

    I don't want to ruin business for youtube account sellers, but that's what I found out.
    Most of you will probably call bullshit.It is just what I was testing.This is where mass ban coming from.You need more than one ingredient to trigger the mighty mass ban, not only naked girl in the video :)
    This information might be valuable for some people.Don't take my word for it.Test things yourself.
    Create 2 accounts from one IP ( make sure you get the chain linked).1 with and 1 without the videos.Boost videos early,copy them others (make sure that same video was banned from youtube). The more ingridients you put into the stew the faster you will get mass ban.Just make sure that at least 1 account is completely untouched and you will see what I mean.

    It might look like I am some kind of mad scientist, but these tests will help a lot of people.
     
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  2. Nargil

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    Not true whatsoever. I boost the videos right after upload and they are fine.

    If you do it from the same damn IP without any kind of cookie cleaning, then of course.

    MD5 doesn't matter, youtube knows which videos were deleted, so unless you spin it well, it will get deleted fairly easily. My advice is to not upload previously deleted videos at all.

    Shared VPN... the VPNs have been so overused, that most of their IPs, no matter what provider you use, are blacklisted on youtube. I am saying that from my own experience.
     
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  3. ddederick

    ddederick Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Interesting.. World needs mad scientists like you ;)

    I'm little confused now. It looks like I need a new battle plan
     
  4. 420lounge

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    everyones experiences are diff on what works and what doesnt...a lot of diff variables come into play all the time so its hard to pinpoint anything.
     
  5. leetchart

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    Hope that this is not true!
     
  6. tronox

    tronox Power Member

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    As I said - you need at least 2 things in the stew.After I created 2 accounts in 24 hours period and didn't boost any of them nothing happened for like 2 months.When I started boosting...BAM! banned after few days, even though one of them had nothing to do with boosting or things like that :)
     
  7. lmxftw

    lmxftw BANNED BANNED

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    how do you fight mass flagging from people who wish to dominate certain niches ?

    i've got CPA YT accounts on which every CPA video i have is massively flagged but still they keep on going... how's that food for thought ?
     
  8. hiatus

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    - Use fresh private proxies
    - 2-3 accounts per IP
    - Use portable browsers
    - Use Betterprivacy addon for browser
    - CCleaner
    - Make no more than one account per day (not sure)
    - Never login again after you uploaded your videos
    - Different domains in every video
     
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  9. sidra

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    So you're saying, for people doing CPA or PPD, they need to use different domain for each video they upload? Keeping in mind that they mostly upload more than 5-10 videos per channel, that could mean a lot of LPs.
     
  10. tronox

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    - Make no more than one account per day (not sure) / You can create multiple accounts per day, just use different ip and number for every account.

    - Never login again after you uploaded your videos / you can login to accounts , just use same ip you created them with.

    - CCleaner, - Use Betterprivacy addon for browser / I used option to clear cache,cokies,active logins everytime i close browser on firefox settings.It unlinks the chain 100% :)

    - 2-3 accounts per IP / this one kinda true, but I think if you wait certain amount of time between account creation they don't link.Of course you can minimize the risk this way.

    - Different domains in every video / URL SHORTENERS and its fine <----
     
  11. tronox

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    how do you fight mass flagging from people who wish to dominate certain niches ? / I try to keep my videos in 2-6 pages.Still get nice amount of traffic + a lot less chance to get flagged by competitors :) I give them their first page, its overrated :p

    i've got CPA YT accounts on which every CPA video i have is massively flagged but still they keep on going... how's that food for thought ? / probably the videos are high quality, with voice over ,talking from view of 3rd person (look what I've just found,this page is amazing,its working ,blah blah blah) recorded screen with mobile phone lol.This might minimize the risk.
     
  12. HaiiroNeko

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    There is a fairly high variance in the YouTube game, so unless somebody gets a case study going with thousands of accounts per method, who all run under the exact same circumstances, which is obv. impossible, we wont get a clear answer or guide on how to keep videos alive. And even if we could, are there always X factors, like somebody flagging your video. Since it is impossible to find out how many people flagged your videos and for what(spam,scam etc.) and how it gets taken into account by YouTube.

    Tldr; There will never be a clear answer on how to keep videos alive, because of variance.
     
  13. lmxftw

    lmxftw BANNED BANNED

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    nope :)

    all my videos are ripped and most of them are ranking on 1-5th spots of YT and G for huge search results pools

    hint: my channels aren't exclusive to CPA offers
     
  14. meinewelt

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    thanks for the infos all. so google internally chains accounts together, and then really deletes ones that are chained to some abusive account?
     
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  15. tronox

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    I was REALLY surprised when they deleted accounts which had nothing do to with violating tos.They were just created at wrong time,wrong ip :) So yes,Google does that chain thingy.
     
  16. HaiiroNeko

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    A question to the people who were victims of a mass-ban, does Google only delete the YouTube accounts or are the associated Gmail accounts closed as well? I just realized that one of my most valuable e-mail addresses is a Gmail one and losing it would be devastating. Should I change to an other provider just in case?
     
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  17. tronox

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    only youtube accounts.When they suspend youtube account you have to verify your google account to be able to use it.I have a suspended account gmail working fine for me :)
     
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  18. HaiiroNeko

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    Good to know, thank you very much.
     
  19. mikeoff

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    Youtube is VERY strict nowadays. Mass ban sucks. I'm doing PPD also.
     
  20. tronox

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    Risk is definitely worth it imo :)