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Time Traveller?

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  1. Aegroeg

    Aegroeg Regular Member

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    So I seen another post about Global war from UFOs and it got me looking up any recent news stories regarding other sightings or "evidence" - and found this.

    A man was about to be knocked over when someone appears to have teleported in front of him to save his life. But why him? Why now? Why isn't this reported more often? Could this be a viral promotion for something?


    Now I know its not legitimate ( well thats down to speculation I guess ) and most likely a hoax but what are your thoughts??

    http://www.examiner.com/article/extraterrestrial-like-time-traveller-saves-man-from-truck

    Video on this page:

    http://agoracosmopolitan.com/news/headline_news/2012/09/17/4471.html
     
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    you can't really be THAT gullible
     
  3. Aegroeg

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    No I stated its most likely a hoax but was wondering if any one out there believes in such things! And if it is a viral what may it be?

    The super 8 promotion was also pretty cool, I was quite excited about that one for about 10 seconds until I remembered there was a film coming about aliens in a few months time.
     
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    That traveller better give me some future trends in SEO which help me against google :D
     
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    But what about Stephen Hawking's Time Travel party? The poor fella put out a spread and no-one showed!
     
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    I was like WTF?

    If its real i dont have nothing to say just WOW
     
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    I had not heard of his Time Travel party but I will have to look it up.
     
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    Have you ever seen the video of the old man walking with a cell phone discovered in an old Charlie Chaplin movie(in the extra clips). Now that's pretty good. The old man is walking and talking on a cell phone back in like 1910. lol. Real time traveller. Or pretty close to looking like one.

    -erniedawg
     
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  12. Aegroeg

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    Wow, interesting!


    Here is the video for anyone also interested:



    An interesting point made in the comments, however:

    perhaps you missed that mobile phone was explicitly mentioned... several times. Without a tower to receive and send the signal there will not be a lot of phone calling.

    qkwijt in reply to Andrey Andrey (Show the comment) 1 week ago
     
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    There's another one where a guy goes under his sink to fix his leaking faucet only to see some light and crawls towards it. When he gets up, he's at a park with his twin, his future self, only 20years into the future. He's talking to himself and having a great time, and amazed. He thinks no one is going to believe him so he realizes he has his cell phone with him. He takes a video of himself and his future self. They even have the same tattoo and everything. Looks very real but how will we know if it is or not. lol That one is pretty cool too.

    -erniedawg
     
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    yeah i've seen that one. It's hard to believe but very interesting nonetheless.
     
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    Time travel.. lottery... kewl...

     
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    Has anyone seen that video where a cyborg appears to travel from the future and then just starts killing women named Sarah Connor? It's probably fake but I dunno it just looks so real.
     
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  17. Black.Star

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    Let me get a bit into this:

    There is currently only one way to "time travel" based on the law of physics.
    In order to travel through time, one must travel at the speed of light, or at least at speeds very close to the speed of light. The problem is that it is not possible to accelerate something up to the speed of light. This comes from the theory of special relativity. So when the speed of the object gets really close to the speed of light, its mass becomes almost infinite making it impossible to actually give it the speed of light (or speeds faster than the speed of light).

    This is the current state and it woud only allows us to travel in the future.

    Other ways? Well. What do we have.

    First of all, Wormholes:

    Wormholes are a hyphotheretical warped spacetime which are permitted by the Einstein field equations of relativity. Traveling trough a wormhole in general is impossible unless it would be a trabersable wormhole (Where you could travel in both directions). A timemachine that would make use of these wormholes would work in the following ways.

    1. One end of the wormhole must be accelerated to a significant fraction of the speed of light and then brought back to the point of origin.

    2. Take one entrance to within the gravitational field of an object with higher gravity than the other end.

    Both of these methods leads to time dilation causing the end of the wormhole to have aged less than the stationary end for an external observer. However time trough the wormhole connects differently than for an outside observer who would always see the wormhole ends as synchronized. Wikipedia quote: "This means that an observer entering the accelerated end would exit the stationary end when the stationary end was the same age that the accelerated end had been at the moment before entry; for example, if prior to entering the wormhole the observer noted that a clock at the accelerated end read a date of 2007 while a clock at the stationary end read 2012, then the observer would exit the stationary end when its clock also read 2007, a trip backwards in time as seen by other observers outside"

    One significant limitation would be that the machine would only be able to move as far back in time as the creation of the machine. Basically this machine wouldn´t really "move" to time but would be more of a path trough time. This would explain why we haven´t seen any tourists from the future and never will. Since the machine isn´t built yet.

    Lets move to the "energy" part of the wormhole time travel method. With knowledge of our current nature of wormholes the construction of a traversable wormhole would require a substance with negative energy (exotic matter). Technically the wormhole spacetime requires a energy that violates different energy conditions such as the weak, strong and dominant energy conditions or the null energy condition. However this is a complete different story and alot physicists today think that this might indeed be possible since the "Casimir effect" in the quantum physics allows small violations of the null energy condition.


    What else do we have?


    Oh different concepts, most way too complicated to explain in the lounge and most of them would also require deep understanding of quantum physics and other areas.


    So. Lets take a look at paradoxes, shall we?

    From a basic point of view paradoxes make time travelling in the past impossible.
    You all know the examples. Grandfather-Son Paradox, suicide time travel paradox, and so on.
    Another famous one is also the paradox of purpose.

    There are various solutions for paradoxes:


    Wikipedia quote: "The Noikov self consistency principle and calculations by indicate that simple masses passing through time travel wormholes could never engender paradoxes—there are no initial conditions that lead to paradox once time travel is introduced. If his results can be generalized, they would suggest, curiously, that none of the supposed paradoxes formulated in time travel stories can actually be formulated at a precise physical level: that is, that any situation you can set up in a time travel story turns out to permit many consistent solutions. The circumstances might, however, turn out to be almost unbelievably strange."

    Other solutions may be:


    -Parallel universes (Many-worlds Interpretation) (Stephen Hawkings said that even if that model was true the traveller would still remain within his own world and experiences a single self consistent history, which doesn´t really proides a solution to the paradoxes) (Everett (Everett´s many-worlds interpretation) also adds that "it would imply that any macroscopic object composed of multiple particles would be split apart when traveling back in time through a wormhole, with different particles emerging in different worlds.")

    -Quantum entanglement (Look it up yourself, too difficult to explain in short words.)

    -Different other approaches of Quantum physics where must would require a change of the current understanding of Quantum mechanics.


    Also we have the philosophical point of view

    This again is a whole topic on itself and I would say you should read some sources about it

    For those of you who don´t know the Grandfather paradox, here is what wikipedia says:

    "One subject often brought up in philosophical discussion of time is the idea that, if one were to go back in time, paradoxes could ensue if the time traveler were to change things. The best examples of this are the grandfather paradox and the idea of autoinfanticide. The grandfather paradox is a hypothetical situation in which a time traveler goes back in time and attempts to kill his grandfather at a time before his grandfather met his grandmother. If he did so, then his mother or father never would have been born, and neither would the time traveler himself, in which case the time traveler never would have gone back in time to kill his grandfather.
    Autoinfanticide works the same way, where a traveler goes back and attempts to kill himself as an infant. If he were to do so, he never would have grown up to go back in time to kill himself as an infant.

    This discussion is important to the philosophy of time travel because philosophers question whether these paradoxes make time travel impossible. Some philosophers answer the paradoxes by arguing that it might be the case that backwards time travel could be possible but that it would be impossible to actually change the past in any way"

    You see, the topic of timetravel is complex. It is difficult and not something you can "believe" in like your other crap believes. This is science and aslong as you don´t understand the basics of physics you will never understand or even get close to the topic "time travel" and quantum physics.




    With kind regards,

    Black.Star
     
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    (Answers to various quotes from thread)

    (Really? A "Doctor" with a site about "Past and Future Hypnotherapy" is talking about when mankind will discover time travelling? For fucking sake. Take some science to the brain. How can someone take this crap seriously or view it as a valid source! wtf BHW....)

    (Well this guy is called a genius for a reason. He kind of said: Look, I held a party for time travellers but sent out the invitations after the party was over. No one came. Therefor, no time travellers. Stephen Hawkings kind of trolled the whole "time travel fanbase".)

    (I really hope you are not serious...)
     
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  19. erniedawg

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    I've heard of a theory where the wormhole would actually be easier to bend the time/space so that it warps. You walk right through it, no need for speed of light. That would seem more realistic, in theory.
     
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    When it first appeared it looked real. Look at it now the terminators head isn't even real half the time and it looks like some guy, I think the ex governor of California maybe, I dunno. I did become quite emotional when I found out it wasn't real. I so wanted to grow up and blow one of those mothers sky high.

    Does anyone else but me hate the fact time travel doesn't exist? Or am I just deranged and in need of professional help.:p