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Tier 1 vs Tier2 and Tier3 Links

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by hamish11, Oct 18, 2012.

  1. hamish11

    hamish11 Regular Member

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    I know it is common wisdom that you don't want to blast 5000 blog comment links directly to your money site, but why is it okay to point it at your tier2 and 3 sites? I mean if it would have a negative impact on your money site, why not the same for Tier 2 and 3?
     
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    SlappinDaBees Regular Member

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    Good question.. now only an answer :)
     
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    aakon7 Regular Member

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    No, it will not have a negative impact if you layer everything correctly. DON'T blast 5,000 links to your money site unless your site has some serious authority!
     
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  4. Mark B

    Mark B Junior Member

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    Aim 20 good quality links at your site then aim 400 links at them (this is only 20 links to your 20 links) now aim 8000 links at them, this is still only 20 links to each link. What your doing is making the first tier more authoritative by the second tier and so on. also remember your not trying to rank your backlinks, just trying to give them a little boost
     
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    It can have negative effect only if someone from Google takes time to manually check your tier links which I dont think they will do it as now they are just looking for the links directing to money site...

    However if you are so paranoid then you can always try mixing links from wikepedia and other authroity sources and also some other blogs so that even a manual reviewer is confused on what this tier is targeting at..
     
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  6. PandaDomo

    PandaDomo Senior Member

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    Blasting back-links would really only apply to Tier 3s...

    It's okay to point it to Tier 2 links because those are less valuable and don't matter as much if you lost them. Many times, it wouldn't even be checked so it would pass on the link juice towards your money site. However, it's entirely possible it will be checked, and then you lose your Tier 2s. Not really that deal since these are cheaper and can be afforded to lose if really necessary. The pros out-weigh the cons here. However, it is not recommended to point to your Tier 1s since these are your more expensive, quality links and these you definitely don't want to lose. These should be treated as your money site.
     
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    pokerjk Senior Member

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    Who said it was ok? You build t2 and t3 to get your links indexed, build link juice and show diversity and link paths for Google. That's doesn't mean blasting spammy links. If you have good enough content your tier 2 and tier 3 links will be built for you mainly through social media platforms and other relevant websites.
     
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    You know what, I very rarely do tier backlinks anyway which may seem odd considering that most people advise to do them. What I basically do after panda and penguin, is focus on 2 main strategies. Relevance, and social links. These have worked wonders for me.

    In my opinion tier backlinks especially anything after the second tier is pretty much useless these days. Why? Because the reason we built multiple tiers in the first place was to "empower" or "pass more link juice" to the main links pointing to our sites. Post-panda and penguin, everyone is now putting 10x the effort into link quality and almost completely ignoring quantity.

    I rank new sites within about 3 months for medium-hard, sometimes even HARD competition keywords with like, around 200-500 links. But these links already come from super quality, super relevant websites. Guest posts, old and established web 2.0s, a little bit of social bookmarking..etc. The reason I say tiers are pretty much uselss is that people are now ALREADY looking for much higher quality links as first tiers which means you'd rarely need to "empower" them with second tiers and all.

    Others might disagree and have different opinions and results, I do not claim that tiers no longer work or are a complete waste of time, just laying out how I do things these days and how they work for me.

    Hope this helps. :)
     
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  9. hamish11

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    Thanks for the responses guys! Just wanted to get multiple takes on it.
     
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    Mostly this.

    I would use a few blog comments, spread between all your tier 1 and 2 (you should have dozens of URL's so a 50,000 blast with a 10% stick rate might just be 5 or 10 links per URL)
    But generally I would use other stuff, content relatedm bookmarks, social media - get some variation going.

    Scritty
     
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    I usually do articles/bookmarks as 2nd tiers, blog comments on 3rd tiers - only long tail keywords not "click here" anchors. Still working great...
     
  12. twilightofidols

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    1. Sure I might blast 5k to tier 1, but distributed between all my Tier 1's that's not too many per site

    2. Stick rate is low anyway

    3. I don't care if one of those Tier 1 sites tank

    4. They are usually on domains that already have some authority and can take some abuse

    5. I don't care about ranking anything other than my money site. If I wanted to rank my Tier 1's I'd never blast links at them. I'm just considered about passing juice up the funnel

    6. Even on your lower tiers you don't want a footprint. For example some people feed all their tier 3/4 into scrapebox commenter that means all these links have only blog comment backlinks (maybe trackbacks). I always mix it up and purposefully DON'T build links to certain Tier 1,2,3 sites because having every site pointing to yours being backlinked by some other site is unnatural looking.