Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by RumMonkey, Aug 2, 2010.
I'm sorry to hear that. These type of stories really do grind my nerves - disputing against others because they're making a success. I really do hope you can find a way back on and push them out of the water once more. So unfair ...
As for getting them banned, I really don't know. I can also give you hand in a certain method you may have, but I don't have any of my own. I can suggest something that'll help you get back on eBay, though.
All the best,
Why don't you send a message to ebay and paypal asking how you broke their rules an if you didn't then you should be OK. I am happy to help anyway I can.
Best bet is to get some sort of RAT and social engineer them into installing it.
But I don't think we're allowed to talk about stuff like that so just google how to do that stuff :/
Thanks guys, I've had several conversations with Paypal now and they will not tell me why my account was banned.
They just give me the whitewash by telling me it could be one of the following 100 reasons BS, so I can't tell exactly what it is I done.
But I do know it was because of the sellers as they emailed me and TOLD ME my account would be banned if I didnt increase my prices.
In fact, I got a message from a buyer complaining my prices were too low! But after a little searching around on Google I saw that this 'buyer' had the same registered phone number as one of the sellers.
Now every time I look on eBay it makes my blood boil when I see this seller is still listing items and making bank.
Did you get any negative feedbacks with the account?
They could of genuinely bought loads of stock from yourself from different accounts and negative blasted your account with fraud claims and complaints to ebay, enough flags on an account would give EBAY and PAYPAL an erection and it would be enough to suspend your accounts pending investigations.
Nope, no negative feedback at all!
My buyers loved my stuff and even complained to ebay when they closed my account, no luck though.
Bastards, I hope somebody nails them good, wish I could help you buddy but this isn't really my kind of thing, sorry.
I can help If you know their postal addresses PM me
Small claims court. If you broke no rules and there holding your funds take them to the small claims court. Plenty have already done it
Write them an email saying you want exact details on why youve been banned as you are taking legal action to recover lost expenses
That is of course if your telling the truth and you dont know why you were banned
Small claims might work for my money back, but right now I'm not really bothered about the money thats being held, that can be made back.
What I'm really after is revenge on these sellers, I want them to go through the frustration that I went through, then I can go back on eBay and claim my market share and rub their filthy noses in my success...
Did you contact eBay as well, or just PayPal? (I know that eBay owns PayPal, but they operate separately.) It seems to me that if you have proof of threats from these other sellers, sharing that with eBay ought to give them enough grounds for investigation. They can try to correlate the sellers' IDs with the sellers who reported you (if that is, in fact, what they did). You could also show them that the buyer's phone number matches that of one of the sellers who may have tried to get you banned.
I understand your frustration and wanting to get revenge, but wouldn't the reinstatement of your accounts be revenge enough?
Something similar happened to me several months ago, and I lost my eBay accounts -- all of them, not just the "offending" account. This happened only a short two months after I started competing with someone who was previously enjoying no competition. I had 100% positive feedback and was doing nothing wrong, so the only thing that I can think of is that this other seller somehow managed to get me banned (it appears to be frighteningly easy to do). I finally did get my accounts back, so just talk (on the phone) with eBay in a calm and professional manner, and they just might reinstate your account. (All of this is, of course, assuming that you've done nothing wrong.)
Ebay is such a joke is the thugs of the internet and is a pure example of why it's not a great idea for anybody to have a monopoly on anything. Now we have google taking over the world and charging out the ass for adwords and such. Sad That's why I enjoy gaming these mofo's as much as I can.
If you email paypal and ebay saying you are taking them to court 99% of the time they will re activate your accounts as they just cant be bothered woth the hassle.
Create a fake account buy some of their shit, find a conterfeit seller of the same stuff,
buy some, mix it with something illegal and dangerous, get it tested, report their arse to the feds and
ebay. Of course they'll blame dropshippers but, all's fair in love and IM.
why not just show ebay/paypal the threatening emails you got from these sellers?
Certain categories on ebay are controlled by select groups of sellers. You found one of them. If they are powersellers they call their reps, also they continuous report your auctions. Enough reports (with their shill accounts) and you will get banned.
best way to hurt them is
create multiple accounts
with different paypal accounts attached and all
and sell the same product at your cost price for a week
you can cover the whole market for whole week without loosing anything additionally you get free feedbacks
this would be the best revenge as per me, whoever is making his living by selling this product will get frustrated even more than u
Assuming you were not BH'ing in any way or breaking eBay's TOS. I can see a few things that will work in your favor.
Two things here:
1. Their demands that you raise prices as not to undercut them is paramount to Price Fixing, and that is Illegal in the US and most of Europe as well.
2. The fact that they threatened you brings in the coercion part, also illegal almost everywhere in the world.
I doesn't matter how big the 5 players in that particular niche are. If they tried to coerce you into setting prices to their benefit and eBay lets them get away with it; eBay as a corporation will be an accessory to Price Fixing and you can take them to court ~not just for your unpaid earnings, but for damages~ Let alone the fact that if what you claim happened turns out to be proven true and documented in civil courts, eBay would also be criminally liable.
I say gather all your evidence and send it to whatever the highest point of contact you can get within eBay and PayPal. Don't just call the customer support line and talk to the person that picks up... Ask for a supervisor and if you get one, ask for someone even higher up in the food-chain. If they give you the runaround, just let them know that you are prepared to take civil action... You'll see how quickly they change their tune.
As for your desire for revenge towards the other sellers... If you provide eBay with proper evidence that they did what you claim they did, I would be willing to bet money that their accounts will get shut down. I doubt eBay would risk any possible liability just to protect a handful of power-sellers.
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