The underground Deep deep web.

Silk road was allegedly shut down, that's weird, how could the feds do that ?
 
I can't lie, I was in a cave for a while. I just recently found about the silk road after watching the show "Drugs INC".

The episode focuses on the drugs in Seattle (go SEAHAWKS!!), and this girl saying she buys all of her drugs off the silk road. After the episode, I go online to find out it got shut down a few days before. Lol

That girl must be real mad now :P
 
The whole Silk road situation is really damn complex. I beg you all to do extensive research on this topic before commenting about it.
Start with reading the Criminal Complaint and then move on to all the underground sources and finish with reading all the mainstream media stuff.
There is a lot more to it then mainstream media is able to describe in short articles. People don't realize how huge the whole operation was.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/172768269/Ulbricht-Criminal-Complaint

Edit: I will just put something in quote here to inform people how it all really went down. You can get most of the information out of the Criminal Complaint. I am bit involved in the IT security industry so if you wanna know about any technical details regarding TOR or other similiar things hit me up.

  • This has been a joint operation run the cybercrime squad within the FBI's New York field office. It involved the FBI, DEA, IRS and Homeland Security's investigative unit.
  • ---
  • It's unstated from when the investigation started, but they received a complete copy of the Silk Road web server on the 23[SUP]rd[/SUP] of July 2013. This was all done under the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty, which implies that they had access to current site information up until the point they shut the site down.
  • This included user account and transaction information. It's unclear whether or not this covers addresses and other sensitive transaction information.
  • **This also apparently covers at least 60 days worth of messages from the period where the site was copied.
  • From February 6, 2011 to July 23 2013, 9,519,664BTC was generated in sales, 614,305BTC going directly to DPR in the way of "commissions". This comes to a total of 1,229,465 transactions.
  • Based on the copy of the site which the FBI received, they believe DPR to have been the sole operator and owner of SR, handling all aspects of the site himself and delegating only user affairs to appointed moderators.
  • ---
  • In March of this year, a SR user/vendor called "FriendlyChemist" attempted to extort DPR via SR's private message system, providing proof that he had the names/addresses of thousands of vendors/users after having allegedly hacked a bigger vendor. He demanded $500,000USD, saying that he needed the money to pay off his supplier. DPR then stated that he wished to speak to FriendlyChemist's supplier.
  • A user called "redandwhite" then proceeded to contact DPR, stating that he was FriendlyChemist's supplier and also the owner of his debt. DPR then solicited redandwhite to "execute" FriendlyChemist, supplying redandwhite his full name and address. After having agreed on terms, DPR sent redandwhite approximately $150,000USD (1,670BTC) to have FriendlyChemist killed. redandwhite later provided photographic proof of the alleged murder.
  • Investigators could not find any record of somebody in that region being killed around that date or matching that description. This possibly implies that DPR was duped/scammed, but, DPR is also quoted as having told redandwhite the following: "Not long ago, I had a clean hit done for 80k."
  • ---
  • DPR has been identified as Ross William Ulbricht.
  • > "He is 29 years old, graduated from the University of Texas with a Bachelor of Science degree in Physics in 2006. From 2006 to 2010, he attended graduate school at the University of Pennsylvania School of Materials Science and Engineering."
  • His LinkedIn profile is at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rossulbricht
Now, onto how he got caught...


  • An agent involved in the investigation ("Agent-1"), found the first few references to SR on the internet from somebody only identified as "altoid", attempting to promote the site in its beginning days, in January of 2011.
  • In October of the same year, a user also going by the name of "altoid" made a posting on Bitcoin Talk titled "a venture backed Bitcoin startup company", which directed interested users to "rossulbricht at gmail dot com".
  • That email address is what led to DPR's downfall.
  • ---
  • After identifying "altoid", they started connecting the "DPR" identity to Ulbricht pretty quickly.
  • Ulbricht's Google+ page and YouTube profile both make multiple references to the a website dubbed the "Mises Institute". DPR's signature on the SR forums contained a link to the Mises Institute.
  • DPR cited the "Austrian Economic theory" along with the works of Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard, all of which are closesly associated with the Mises Institute.
  • Server logs show that someone logged onto the SR administration panel from San Fransisco around the same time that Ulbricht was staying in San Fransisco.
  • Multiple fake IDs were intercepted by U.S. Customs & Border Patrol while on their way to an address which Ulbricht was living at the time. These IDs all carried photos of Ulbricht but had false names and details. This was around the same time that DPR stated in a message that he was acquiring some fake IDs to buy new servers.
  • When questioned by Homeland Security about the fake IDs, he refused to answer any questions but then stated that anyone could purchase such things using "Silk Road" and "Tor".
  • The address which Ulbricht was staying at was being rented in cash and he was living with housemates who knew him under a name which corresponded with one of the fake IDs.
  • He posted on StackOverflow using his real name, inquiring about how to use curl/PHP to grab things off Tor, before quickly changing the name to "frosty" (with a fake email: [email protected])
Miscellaneous notes



Edit 2:

As far as I know both redanwhite and FriendlyChemist were the same person... Also known as Agent 1 in the Criminal Complaint.

Edit 3:

Other sources report that a few vendors had jumped the ship before the bust. There is way more going on behind the scenes than anyone can grasp to understand.
 
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1st Rule about the Deep Web - No talking about the Deep Web lol joking, sorta.. I wish I would of took advantage of Silkroad before it got shut down, I was eyeing alot of the acid that was on there and was wanting to order some from across the sea. There's more underground markets on the deep web though I haven't really checked them out to see if there legit or not.
 
The onion network got some cool stuff to offer, like pdf sharing sites or funky underground casinos, but most of it is drugs, scam sites and child pron.

What I hate about it is that every service got such weird cryptic addresses, you don't know what will wait for you on the other side. It could be the best thing ever or it could scar you for life.

Btw. there is another "legit" drug market called Atlantis, but as of now I don't know if it is still safe to use. The owner made an AMA on Reddit a while back here: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1fwi48/im_the_ceo_of_an_online_underground_black_market/
 
Btw. there is another "legit" drug market called Atlantis, but as of now I don't know if it is still safe to use.
Atlantis shut down 2-3 weeks before the silkroad bust due to "security issues".
 
I disagree. Compared to street prices, it was almost a joke. All prescription drugs were ludicrously priced. The acids were also a rip off, same for the Cocaine and don't get me started on the Cannabis prices.

Again some of the stuff was cleaner, however I can tell you for a fact that not all the MDMA was clean.

I'm not sure what country you would have to be from for it to be classed as cheap, but it's no country on this planet.

I wouldn't advice posting sources/quotes, I've had to think carefully about how to word my post. There's a lot I can't say here.

Well since I was never involved with silkroad I don't really care about what I say.
All I know is due reading a lot about it during the last few weeks also looking to see on how the bitcoin market is evolving during stuff like this.
It's economical interest for me. All I know about the prizes is from reading it so yeah. Edit out my quote if you want. I will change it aswell then :)
 
Well since I was never involved with silkroad I don't really care about what I say.
All I know is due reading a lot about it during the last few weeks also looking to see on how the bitcoin market is evolving during stuff like this.
It's economical interest for me. All I know about the prizes is from reading it so yeah. Edit out my quote if you want. I will change it aswell then :)

Well I can't really say the same. I've also been watching the BTC market. Also there was nothing wrong with your post, I was just saying that it's a hard subject to talk about, you can't really say much about it here ;)
 
Black you seem to have a lot of knowledge on the "hidden web" thanks a lot for sharing and giving info on exactly what went down with the owner of the silk road.

But how is it still up even after the govt seized it?

Atlantis shut down 2-3 weeks before the silkroad bust due to "security issues".
 
Be afraid . . . be VERY afraid . . .
There are people who have gone to the Deep Web and never came back! :firedevil

OP Take this literally! I only fount out about it the other week, spent a night on there reading a few wiki posts and then decided to explore a bit more.. that was enough for me, some of the stuff I read on there made sick. Monsters live down there! I'm never going back.
 
Silk Road 2.0 in the works but it will take awhile for a lot of users to trust it but its coming back
 
The whole Silk road situation is really damn complex. I beg you all to do extensive research on this topic before commenting about it.
Start with reading the Criminal Complaint and then move on to all the underground sources and finish with reading all the mainstream media stuff.
There is a lot more to it then mainstream media is able to describe in short articles. People don't realize how huge the whole operation was.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/172768269/Ulbricht-Criminal-Complaint

Edit: I will just put something in quote here to inform people how it all really went down. You can get most of the information out of the Criminal Complaint. I am bit involved in the IT security industry so if you wanna know about any technical details regarding TOR or other similiar things hit me up.



Edit 2:

As far as I know both redanwhite and FriendlyChemist were the same person... Also known as Agent 1 in the Criminal Complaint.

Edit 3:

Other sources report that a few vendors had jumped the ship before the bust. There is way more going on behind the scenes than anyone can grasp to understand.

Damn, that's some unfortunate or perhaps even silly footprints that he left, concidering he's running the nr. 1 consumer drug network in the world.

Do you reckon the site would have still existed if he had claimed residence in another country with no extradition to US and had his servers there?
 
I accidentally double posted.
 
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You can youtube .onion sites. You should be able to grab a lot of info and figure out how to access the hidden web from there.

But be warned once you go deepweb you're gonna need a wheelchair.

can you guys post some links... I'm interested to see what's all out there..
 
People using the site to buy drugs also used the virtual currency Bitcoin to lessen the chances of being detected. But in its statement, the agency said the arrests sent a message to criminals that the anonymity touted by sites like Silk Road is an illusion. "The Hidden Internet isn't hidden and your anonymous activity isn't anonymous," it said. "We know where you are, what you are doing and we will catch you."

Nah, this simply AIN'T true... and ANYBODY that understands the technical underpinnings of TOR (and other less prominent darknets) knows that and 3-letter agencies know that too... ;) If you are willing to read all the story about SR, read the indictment and court papers you'll find a completely different story about HOW they got caught... It certainly does NOT depend strictly on the flaws of the onion routing.
 
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