3 years to life? lmao dude you need to take some english lessons
The super immoral technique from hell to make a shit-ton of money promoting online casinos
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lishu44275
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My English is poor, but i am sure you know what I mean, I could be sentenced to at last 3 years.
what country are you from? depending on WHAT you explained to your lawyer she might have understood something else. im sure this is not ilegal
There's a difference between what constitutes a crime (illegal) and the probability of being charged. Anyone saying this isn't illegal is wrong for US residents at least. In the US, practically every state has something called "theft by false pretenses" with various sub-statutes on what elements are needed for a person to be charged. These range from dollar amounts exchanged, statements made, witnesses and/or additional victims involved, lost time, etc... What nobody can answer is whether a prosecutor will investigate and ultimately make a case out of it. This is where you decide if you're going to take that risk or not. Don't let random BHW members sway you one way or another (i.e. OP with his "real-life Better Call Sal" claim). Look-up your state or country's laws and see if there's relevant criminal code addressing theft by false pretenses or something similar.
Nicololo
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I'm sorry, but what is the difference of this, that when a droppshiper makes a video on YouTube, it says that it earns 40kusd/month with "X" payment tool to search for winning products, and there are a lot of videos in YouTube.
Kevin david has a lot of videos like that.
Yes, you can find deception in a lot of things. It comes down to how many victims there are, the total loss of those victims and the false pretense scheme itself. State criminal codes are oftentimes broad in order to fit different scnearios under one umbrella. I’m not a lawyer but here’s a basic rundown of what constitutes it:
False or fraudulent representation or pretense
A false pretense is any act, word, symbol or token, the purpose of which is to deceive. You make a false pretense if, intending to deceive, you do one or more of the following:
- Give information you know is false
- Make a misrepresentation recklessly and without information that justifies a reasonable belief in its truth
- Do not give information when you have an obligation to do so
- Make a promise not intending to do what you promised
Nicololo
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It is so ambiguous.
Even these internet gurus sell thousands-dollar courses promising something that is unreal and that they don't even achieve. And I don't see anyone having any problems, they are even in the United States.
The only thing I see, is in the description of his videos something like " These are my results, and you may not get the same results" .
I still didnt start with this method, I made the video but I still did not upload it, I am from Latin America.
lishu44275
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I am from China, And I told my lawyer, I am trying to promote foreign online casinos to the people from other countries via youtube and maybe some other social media. She told me not to do this, cause it is illegal no matter how I do it. Say Even I was a foreigner, I would be given at least 3 years for using the computers in China to promote it, it could be more based on the money involved, no to say I am Chinese. We have really strict laws on casinos here. So I would skip this good method
birdy23
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How about using a VPS to do that?
mo006
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How much views do you have ?
Guys, i can show you my video (you can have it if you want, i dont mind) but i need in exchange some old facebook accounts to spam with.. in case someone is interested in doing this trade just PM me asap. i can also teach you anything about this method in case you dont know how to do it. just pm me and we can work together.
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Aren't you making money with this method?
yes i am, but what does that have to do with what i posted?
ilovetobun69
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So don't say it's "promised" ?
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I could be wrong but casinos manipulate people all the time get off your imagery moral high horse
nouveauriche
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The way i showed it is not fraudolent, it's highly manipulative, you do not promise or misrepresent anything, you make sure people come to conclusions on their own, that's very different.
1) Give information you know is false, you can't prove i'm not a guy who honestly thinks this works
2) No misrepresentation at all, you're showing yourself making money, if you don't want to, you can avoid showing the fake payments, but still that has nothing to do with what you're showing, that's why it's safe.
3) Not giving information when you have an obligation to do so: you have no obligation to say anything, you're just showing something and not directly inducing people to emulate what you do, if you do a backflip tutorial and avoid saying you can break your neck and someone emulates you and ends up in a wheelchair, good luck to them blaming that on you.
4) Make a promise not intending to do what you promise: you don't promise anything, it looks like you are, but you never "hard claim" anything, you make people think it's 100% safe, but you never say so.
I got all the legal advice from a great lawyer, let's all remember great lawyers are not those who keep innocent people out of jail but those who manage to keep guilty people out of jail, THAT's when you're a good lawyer.
It's always best to confront a lawyer to check laws for your country, but you can be subtle and get around them very easily, and by the time you eventually get sued, you will be able to afford one hell of a lawyer.
Still, it's very unlikely that anyone is going to blame their loss on you, they will just get upset and that's it. There's no point in spending thousands to sue a random guy without even knowing what you're sueing him for, when you've lost hundreds.
Let's say you get a 100$ speeding ticket, but you weren't speeding, are you really spending at least 1k on a lawyer to go to court to get your 100$ back? You'd end up being 900$ down.
Listen Pierluigi, instead of defending the legalities of this method, let's talk about some issues I posed a month ago that you conveniently neglected to address:
1. Betting systems are strictly against the Terms of most/all casinos, yet your video teaches a betting system which the viewers' will implement that exact system. From the affiliate network side, they will see all your leads/depositors are going straight to roulette and betting the same exact way. You mentioned having a fake/front site which talks about some random games and how fun they are to play, which then leads to the casino. The casino knows your site and can see all your traffic is doing something completely different. Now this may work with a handful of leads but you're talking about "25k a week" in rev from traffic that casinos don't want and specifically ban player accounts for. How do you explain that? Did your casino work out a deal where they're cool with it? If so, why wouldn't you talk about that very important relationship dynamic in your OP?
2. Your CPA rate is 300% the deposited amount correct? This can only be achieved through some sort of special arrangement with the casino from my understanding. In order to get it they looked at your traffic of course right? Your traffic must be depositing on average 4-5x over their initial deposit for the casino to make money (either short or long-term). So what does that mean for the casino's on average deposit? Well, it brings that number up of course. Instead of 4-5x at 100% of your players (since they're paying you 3x CPA on every deposit), you can bring it to 8-10x at 50% or 16-20x at 25%, etc... What this means is because 100% of people aren't going to deposit 4-5x their initial deposit amount in order for the casino to make money (and to justify paying you 300%), the casino needs to determine what the average amount will be per player over LTV. I have no clue what that number is but paying an affiliate 300% CPA doesn't add up. Oh yeah, what if they actually do win? Some will of course and now that means less deposits which skews the above number even further.
P.S., If I had to guess, OP made up the 300% CPA structure as he confused that with the player bonus system where casinos will provide player deposit bonuses/match play of 200-300% (with ridiculous terms attached).
nouveauriche
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1) As betting systems are prohibited, you will need the facade website so that the casino doesn't find out you're the one explaining it, the worst scenario you can bump into is the casino kicking you out of their affiliate program, in that case just subscribe to another casino and change the affiliate link, people won't care if the casino they start using looks different than the one shown on video, you could just say "hey the casino changed graphics" and that's it, we're talking about dumb people at this point (you made them dumb and gullible with your video, so they will accept anything).
The casino has no way to see you're suggesting to use a betting system, so they can't ban you anyway, and of course they will not ban players using a non-working system.
We're forgetting here that "betting systems" means ways to ACTUALLY beat the casino, not pseudo-systems.
Think of a real casino, not an online one, some guy walks up to the roulette table using a "system", but there can't be any system as every turn is random, why would the casino kick him out? They will instead give him free drinks to keep him there.
They will not care, they will just enjoy the money and that's it, as i said the worst scenario is that they kick you out of their affiliate program but who cares, just change your link and promote another casino.
2) 300% CPA is on first deposits only, and if someone wastes 500 bucks, apparently they are likely to deposit twice as much on their second deposit, and they will do so a few times, but that's up to how manipulative your video is. Still, getting 300% CPA is not related to each player's deposit ratio, some people deposit more, some people deposit less, some people deposit just once, some other people will keep making deposits (maybe after winning a few times they deposit more and THEN they lose everything). The way the casino calculates this is based on how much money they're making with your referred players, not on how much every single one of them deposits.
In my case, they must have seen they could have still made good money even giving me a 300% cpa on deposits, of course some people quit and only made one deposit, but it's not about that, it's about the average of all people and how big their deposits were.
As 300% is on first deposits, it could easily be that someone makes a 50$ deposit, wins a few times, then decides to deposit 500$ bucks, then loses all of it. In this case the casino paid me 150$ but earned 550$, very convenient for them, and if the player keeps making deposits this is more profitable for the casino than paying me with a revshare type of commission rate.
Let's say the same player deposits another 500$ after losing and loses again, the casino will have made 1,050$ and paid me just 150$ (which was the 300% CPA on the first 50$ deposit) which is LESS than paying me 20% revshare, but more convenient for me in some way as i get paid right away.
You have to wait for the casino to trust you because they first have to see you're not referring your friends, otherwise you could just get 300% cpa, have some friend deposit a grand, take 3k for each friend and goodbye casino, but 300% CPA is not uncommon at all, it is however the highest type of commission rate you can achieve.
I might have missed your past queries as you say i "conveniently neglected" to address them, but i've had already explained all this stuff several times in this thread.
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It doesn't work that way Pierluigi and you missed my point completely (maybe on purpose). Casinos can see every single action on the backend from its players. So you have a video for a betting system that states to bet on colors in a specific sequence and to increase or decrease bets based on win or loss. If someone is going to believe your video, then they're going to follow exactly what you instructed them to do. The casino will not notice this right away but after 10-20 signups they will (how could they not).
Since you never included in your OP about telling the player to mix it up with other gameplay, it's obvious you haven't taken this method as far as you claim. In order to pull something like this off the players you refer would need to do a number of steps in order to hide the fact they were referred from a betting system video on YT. You say the casino will never know. How can you say that when I'm telling you they can see every single action and bet that takes place? A facade website won't do a thing if every referred player is mimicking one another. Suspicions would be raised almost immediately (within 10-20 leads I would guess).
Let's do some simple, conservative math. I bring in 100 players and they all deposit $100 each. That's $10,000 in deposits and I earn $30,000 in first time deposit commissions (300% CPA). For the casino to break-even they need 30k total in losses. From the 100 players, all use your system (which is why they deposited to begin with). Let's say 75% lose everything and 25% win something. Out of 75 players, how many are going to redeposit because they thought they messed up the system? Let's say most, maybe 50 players and 25 give up. 50 players then deposit $200 because they mean business (although most would probably only deposit the same amount of $100). 50 x 200 = $10,000 in deposits.
Now we have 20k in deposits from your 30k commissions. Let's say all of them lose again (even though some will win). How many of them will now go for it all and deposit $500 (even though they'd most likely only deposit $100 again)? Let's say half are that dumb and do it. 500 x 25 = $12,500. Out of those 25, they all lose again (even though some will win). The casino now has turned a profit of $2,500 from the original 75 losing players, but we're not done yet.
From the 25 winners, let's say their original deposit of $100 turned into $250. Only 10 cashout while the other 15 continue playing and end up losing. The casino pays out $2,500 total to the 10 players, leaving them at break-even. Out of the 15 players let's say 10 redeposit $200 (once again, even though they would most likely deposit $100). Some win, some lose, some deposit more and some quit. The casino is barely making a profit when you break it down and this is given you the best case scenario on the following assumptions:
1. 50 out of 75 players redeposited after losing which is unreasonable high
2. Those 50 players actually double their next deposit to $200 even though they lost, then lose again.
3. Out of those 50 players, 25 go for it all and deposit $500 which is ridiculously high both from % of players and dollar amount.
4. From the original 75 losing players, they all lose during their continued attempts which is mathematically impossible.
5. Out of 100 total players, only 10 players cashout a profit while the rest lose (very imbalanced).
Why would a player deposit more money if they're winning? They would just keep using the system and win more money. Why would a player deposit only $50 on the first deposit, then after losing deposit $500? That ratio doesn't make any sense. Players don't 10x their deposits very often. Perhaps they are suspicious and just want to make sure the system works before depositing a larger sum. But wait! They lost right? Well, wouldn't that confirm their suspicions and thus they would NOT deposit 10x? Like I mentioned earlier, maybe they'll redeposit their initial amount to retest, but hardly anyone is going to 10x their deposit because they lost.
If I had to take an educated guess, the reality is the casino is going to lose around $15k from those 100 people based on your 300% CPA claim. I gave you the best case example and still it doesn't show the casino hardly making anything. Remember, these people were referred to the casino based on a winning betting system. The losers will be discouraged/upset/suspicious (maybe some will make a small redeposit) and the winners won't be making continued deposits until they lose (and we're not even factoring-in anyone cashing out yet).
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