The problem with being a 'successful' IM.

Get a hobby, a time-consuming one I haven't reach stability yet, but whenever I get the chance I go fishing, it's really relaxing.

People who get bored by everything are boring people. Sorry to rain on your rainstorm OP but it's the truth.

Same applies to the opposite.

People with energy, passion and enthusiasm for life.... people with real personalities..... they have too many interests. Too many things they love and want to do. Because they're fun people.

So if you're life is that boring dare I say it's not your hobbies that's the problem, but more likely your mindset and personality. Sorry if I sound brash or cold but I truly believe that to be true. Life is always what you make of it.

-BB

A partner helps a LOT (gf, wife, w/e)

Time to have a son/daughter maybe? Pretty sure that will get you busy

BreaknBrix said:

People who get bored by everything are boring people. Sorry to rain on your rainstorm OP but it's the truth.

Same applies to the opposite.

People with energy, passion and enthusiasm for life.... people with real personalities..... they have too many interests. Too many things they love and want to do. Because they're fun people.

So if you're life is that boring dare I say it's not your hobbies that's the problem, but more likely your mindset and personality. Sorry if I sound brash or cold but I truly believe that to be true. Life is always what you make of it.

-BB

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I'm not sure that you get my point, nor understand the message.

I refer to boredom as the absence of excitement, and the chasm between excitement and existence, which is what the great majority of people settle for.

To your point, however - I tend to find people who are easily excited to be particularly poor company, because they usually have very little of intelligence to discuss. I don't think there's a person who knows me who would describe me as 'boring'.

The point, instead, is that the things that 'regular Joe' occupies himself with as a means of traversing from the beginning of his life to the end of his life do not appeal to me as a meaningful pursuit.

Hey,

Why not acquire valuable skills? I think business skills - while valuable - don't come close to the value of learning something that has permanent value. Business will die out, as everything competitive in nature will suffer from its inefficiency, and it will lead to a more collaborative system (it already heads that way; Internet killed large parts of the entertainment and almost the entire information market; 3d printing and similar tech will probably do the same to other markets).

Learn science. For example, start learning psychology (helps for business too). Or start learning mathematics, physics, whatever. Pick something you're interested in and go on ocw.mit.edu or khanuniversity.org and start learning stuff. I do that a lot in my free time. The great thing about it isn't just having fun... but especially the way this knowledge changes your viewpoint.

You could even start studying officially.

By the way... I don't get one thing. Why do so many seem to think that "working" is part of fulfilling ones life? Seriously, for me it's like the biggest roadblock. Working means for me doing something I wouldn't do without getting the cash, therefor something I actually don't like to do. I mean... show me a job which isn't to some extend repetitive. (Although, to be honest IM gets me excited too... unlike any other job).

WHat you could also do is ramp up your health. Try to improve your diet, include plenty of exercising and meditation.

There is so much besides work... you just have to start somewhere and see how much you enjoy it!

warm regards,
neocortx

This is a common problem.

People all too often strive for money in the belief that money will make them happy.

The problem is that their goal is the money and not what they want to do once they have the money.

Money gives you the financial independence and the time to do whatever you want - but if you don't know what 'whatever you want' is, this if often the result.

And that sense of being unfulfilled is compounded by the fact that you now have a lot more time on your hands and no goal.

The solution is easy - find things you enjoy, that you are passionate about, that make you happy, that absorb you.

I know your point is that you don't know what those things are, but look at it this way - you now have the time to discover what those things are and the money to do them once you figure it out.

And not many people are that fortunate.

Actually investing in another business is really good idea. Not only because of money but at least to broaden your horizons and experience something that you may have never done before. IM is only small part of marketing.
If you don't have a hobby just get one

If we are in it for money at first and get what we wanted then we lose the direction and also get bored after some time. and also keeping up with stuff becomes harder.

I have learned two things from my depression - constantly create new memories (by meeting new people, doing new stuff ) and stop churning past stuff. or elsse this create boredom in head and we don't feel sucessful despite money or even achievement.

I think your problem is you do not appreciate what you have. I am always happy because I have been through some very rough times, and simply looking how far I have come keeps me happy.

So you have financial independence and you are still not satisfied...

Well OP, I wish I was in your position.

Neocortx said:

Hey,

Why not acquire valuable skills? I think business skills - while valuable - don't come close to the value of learning something that has permanent value. Business will die out, as everything competitive in nature will suffer from its inefficiency, and it will lead to a more collaborative system (it already heads that way; Internet killed large parts of the entertainment and almost the entire information market; 3d printing and similar tech will probably do the same to other markets).

Learn science. For example, start learning psychology (helps for business too). Or start learning mathematics, physics, whatever. Pick something you're interested in and go on ocw.mit.edu or khanuniversity.org and start learning stuff. I do that a lot in my free time. The great thing about it isn't just having fun... but especially the way this knowledge changes your viewpoint.

You could even start studying officially.

By the way... I don't get one thing. Why do so many seem to think that "working" is part of fulfilling ones life? Seriously, for me it's like the biggest roadblock. Working means for me doing something I wouldn't do without getting the cash, therefor something I actually don't like to do. I mean... show me a job which isn't to some extend repetitive. (Although, to be honest IM gets me excited too... unlike any other job).

WHat you could also do is ramp up your health. Try to improve your diet, include plenty of exercising and meditation.

There is so much besides work... you just have to start somewhere and see how much you enjoy it!

warm regards,
neocortx

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I appreciate your post, and significantly share your view on 'work', and am too bemused by people who consider it a useful thing to do with their life... I don't ascribe *any* moral value to 'work', but plenty do.

But then maybe they're just better people than I am

King_James said:

So you have financial independence and you are still not satisfied...

Well OP, I wish I was in your position.

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until you get to multimillionaire level there's really no such thing as financial independence - believe me!
The more you earn, the more you spend, the better car you drive, the bigger house you own, the better schools you send your kids too, the more expensive your toys - therefore the more you need to earn, the more you need to borrow.

Admittedly, you'll probably enjoy life a bit more than someone on struggle street, but earning say $300,000 a year - even $500,000, and looking after a family is not financial independence. It's just scaling it up a bit.

King_James said:

So you have financial independence and you are still not satisfied...

Well OP, I wish I was in your position.

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I don't know that I'm 'financially independent' - I'm still very much dependent on being paid, I just don't need to do tasks that go into creating the value that they pay me for...

partymarty4870 said:

until you get to multimillionaire level there's really no such thing as financial independence - believe me!
The more you earn, the more you spend, the better car you drive, the bigger house you own, the better schools you send your kids too, the more expensive your toys - therefore the more you need to earn, the more you need to borrow.

Admittedly, you'll probably enjoy life a bit more than someone on struggle street, but earning say $300,000 a year - even $500,000, and looking after a family is not financial independence. It's just scaling it up a bit.

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And I wish I was in that position right now, earning 300k a year even with a family, IT IS financial independence.
You can buy a house, a car, awesome schools to send your kids on etc.

But of course, I get what you mean, when people get something, they want more, at least 99% of people.
But that doesn't mean you don't have a financial independence.

tony_d said:

I don't know that I'm 'financially independent' - I'm still very much dependent on being paid, I just don't need to do tasks that go into creating the value that they pay me for...

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You are on your own > things could stop working at any time?

Or you work for someone and > you could get fired at any time?

King_James said:

And I wish I was in that position right now, earning 300k a year even with a family, IT IS financial independence.

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Although that may be a huge amount of money to you, it isn't financial independence.

Financial independence is when you earn that money from your existing assets (without causing those assets to depreciate), not from having to do 'work'.

It's a subtle difference, but it is an important one.

Trepanated said:

Although that may be a huge amount of money to you, it isn't financial independence.

Financial independence is when you earn that money from your existing assets (without causing those assets to depreciate), not from having to do 'work'.

It's a subtle difference, but it is an important one.

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exactly

a large amount of "residual income" is financial independence

To those who wish to have lots of money, I really want you guys to have loads of money so that you can realize its exactly not all you wanted...
Money has no value if you have no one in your life who can utilize it.

Anyways OP, I always find it pleasant to talk to my family members, tell them what I did all day, listening to them. Playing with my 2 little nephew and niece
And best of all, get some pet May be a Dog or an aquarium or any other pet you like. They really helps you to get rid off loneliness

The truth is, people feel unhappy wherever their position is,

unhappy been rich,

unhappy been poor.

The unhappy, fulfillment may come from any kind of miseries, from any moment or walk of life

Trust me, that how you guy human suppose to be.

You're not a monk

Trepanated said:

Although that may be a huge amount of money to you, it isn't financial independence.

Financial independence is when you earn that money from your existing assets (without causing those assets to depreciate), not from having to do 'work'.

It's a subtle difference, but it is an important one.

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For me financial independence is when you work and have nothing to worry about because the house is paid, the car is paid, family have money for whatever they need.

Having a lot of money and never have to worry about working, it's what I call 'I'm rich'.

But anyway, thanks for the explanation.

partymarty4870 said:

until you get to multimillionaire level there's really no such thing as financial independence - believe me!
The more you earn, the more you spend, the better car you drive, the bigger house you own, the better schools you send your kids too, the more expensive your toys - therefore the more you need to earn, the more you need to borrow.

Admittedly, you'll probably enjoy life a bit more than someone on struggle street, but earning say $300,000 a year - even $500,000, and looking after a family is not financial independence. It's just scaling it up a bit.

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This - 100%. It never ends, because everything around you grows as your money grows. My cousin and her husband met when they were both in college - got married when they were both entering the workforce - started off with regular salaries and bought a condo for $300k...they had regular bills...living the traditional life....well he moved up the corporate ladder fast in the financial world and then started his own firm. He makes HIGH $XX Million a year now. Think he is kicking back with no worries? Fuck no. They now have 5 homes all over the world, 4 kids all in private high schools that cost more than college, have a jet and a pilot along with other "staff" in their homes all over...as his wealth grew so did their quality of life as well as expenses. So, the stress doesn't magically disappear.

If anything it grows as you build wealth. There are people trying to take it from you...your circle of friends grows smaller because everyone wants a piece. I spent time with him over the summer - we were on the lake having a few beers and he said something along the lines of "I can't tell you the last time I had a Bud Light -- my country club doesn't have it"

But one thing he said made perfect sense - he said his family was the best thing to ever happen to him and even if he was back in that condo they bought back in the day he would be happy. They also do a shit load of charity work and he said that was the most rewarding thing - being able to give back. I agree.

Success financially doesn't make all problems go away, but it does give you the ability to help others - and that is a feeling that is worth the added pressure and responsibilities that wealth brings. When you can help someone and impact them in a positive way its a feeling money can't buy.

I was typically a selfish person until a few years ago. Even then I would donate some money -- but I would just send a check and not really get involved. Last Holiday season I actually got involved. I did a lot with toys for tots and was buying car loads of toys at a time. A local car dealer had a huge drop off location and I would take time during the day and hit up Target and just fill carts with toys - I would literally spend hours there - thinking of what kids would like - and seeing things like the ninja turtle toys and transformers being re-created brought back a lot of memories. I have nieces so I am pretty up to date on the "hot" toys for the holiday season and last year Doc McStuffins was the one...people were literally going after those toys like animals on the shelf. Since I would hit these places mid day while everyone else was behind a desk at work I would often see mid day shipments getting brought out. The Doc McStuffins doll was impossible to find and they put 3 of them out. There was a mother and daughter in the store and the kid went apeshit over it and the mom was trying to explain that it was too expensive etc.

I took all 3 of them - one for my nieces, one for toys for tots and one for this person - I went to my car and loaded everything up and grabbed a pen and a piece of paper. I wrote a note explaining I wanted to give her the toy so she could give it to her daughter for Christmas - went back to the entrance and waited for them to come out - handed her the note which told her to watch where I go to my car and to pull up next to me and pop her truck, distract her child and I would toss it in. That was the best $20-something dollars I spent that year.

When I heard people in the past say shit like being able to give back is the most rewarding part I thought they were all crazy - I wanted cars, toys, etc. It took me actually putting out effort to experience the satisfaction. You don't have to break the bank. The satisfaction and "wake up" isn't determined by dollar value.

Also, if you are bored donate your time - shelters ALWAYS need extra help - you don't even have to donate financially. Go cook breakfast at a shelter from 4am - 6am for a month an watch your entire point of view change. Seriously, it is like a Mike Tyson punch to the face. Puts shit into perspective.