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The problem with all internet forums.

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by tony_d, Jul 13, 2014.

  1. tony_d

    tony_d Elite Member

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    TLDR; The only thing that we as humans can do is project our beliefs upon the world, and consider them reality. This becomes a problem for the world if those views are ill-formed.

    If John Citizen, a newbie internet marketer, tries to rank a site with 100k blog comments bought on Fiverr, and fails to rank top 3 most instantly, he'll start to believe that SEO 'doesn't work'. By the time he does one or two additional silly things, he'll be absolutely convinced that SEO doesn't work. That wouldn't be a problem if he kept that view to himself - the problem starts when he accrues a few hundred posts on a forum (and therefore, quasi-credibility) and starts replying to other unsuspecting newbies with 'the facts' that SEO doesn't work, OR that PBN's don't work, OR whatever poorly executed half-assed failure he ran in the days before arriving at that conclusion 'doesn't work'.

    Likewise, on the other side of the coin, there would probably be a group of people that try to inflate their image with successes that they haven't had, and claim that XYZ worked for them, when in fact they never even got out of bed that day.

    If only for the distribution of personality types in the world in general, it seems more likely than not that a very large portion of members posting on web forums aren't actually successful in their field - whether it be photography, shoe polishing, or internet marketing.

    What does this all mean? It means that in my view, the single toughest thing about SEO and IM is deciding which opinions and statements to take seriously, and which opinions and purported 'facts' should be disregarded. To compound the problem further, I'd be pretty comfortable suggesting that a few large search engines have at least one or two people dedicating solely to spreading misinformation on forums.

    Indeed if I distilled the issue by a further degree, I would arrive at the conclusion that the single worst thing any IM'er can do is to take 'the words of the web' as fact, when instead they should spend their time and effort testing, experimenting, and failing as many times as they can possibly fail. That, folks, is what leads to endurance in the game of IM, and I suspect that's also the reason why the great majority of IM'ers crash and burn quickly - because it actually does require effort, experimentation, and failure before one succeeds, and it's not actually about posting on a forum and asking for a 'method that will earn $x in the next Y days'.

    Seth Godin wisely says words to the effect of: fail fast, and fail often.
     
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    Panther28 Elite Member

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    I love to hear a so called "expert" in their field talk, its always very easy hear if they are an expert or if its more about their ego, real expertise has no ego, only facts and honour.
     
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    Thanks for your post, Tony. You are delivering over the last few months one of the best information in this forum.

    I think for us it is good how it is, I mean we have to get to know how to filter the good info and try to get to know by yourself if that info can be used for our projects.

    If all the info provided was the good methods and tactics, SEO would be easier, and our weak competition would be as strong as us :D

    Great post tony. Thanks
     
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    Trepanated Supreme Member

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    In my experience, this is the crux of the matter.

    Too many people are looking for the quick/easy/cheap/lazy/magic method - and therefore they are not experimenting for themselves.

    These people are never going to make it anyway because they are lazy.
    And rather than admit they are lazy it is easier for them to say IM/Marketing/Sales/SEO/Business does not work.
    Lazy people do everything they can to hide from their laziness, and that includes convincing everyone else that the problem is something other than laziness.

    Fuck what they say, they are not worth listening to.
     
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    Great points but the issue doesn't lie with internet forums but with individual people. People like in your example who don't rank instantly and think seo doesn't work do the same types of things in other areas of their life. This isnt a Im problem but a mental one.

    IM is like anything else in life- put in work and results will come. Make assumptions and look for shortcuts and you will fail. And sometimes the latter is what it takes to put people on the correct path, i know its helping me
     
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    A true lazy person is a joy to work with. They will always find the shortest way to accomplish their tasks so they can go back to fucking off, and they always do something right the first time, so it is done with, and they do not have to to it again. All you have to do is motivate them.

    That, in my opinion is the problem: lack of motivation.

    A lot of people on this forum are really motivated to make money, but not to build a business.
     
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    Wow you have just summed me up in a few short sentences.
     
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    [h=1]"I choose a lazy person to do a hard job. Because a lazy person will find an easy way to do it."[/h]-- Bill Gates
     
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    He got that from me.
     
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    Very true....


    Great post Tony....
     
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    The most irritating thing about forums is people parroting each other, for example "you must have high quality content to rank" i bet everything i have that 99.9% of the people making these claims never tested it (i did test and you don't need high quality content for GOOD rankings, you do for conversions, but that has nothing to do with rankings)

    There are more myths like dup content penalty again i bet everything i have that all the people here and other forums screaming that you will get penalized never tested it, they heard some Guru say stupid shit like this and they are immediately married with that conclusion without testing any of it.

    That is something i never understood, why people are not testing, i always test out stuff, that is how you find methods, i love being the nutty professor and have outrages thought and put them to the test.

    That is my advice to all the n00bs, never ever take any advice for granted, no not even mine. ;)

    Test everything you would like to proceed on a small scale and if it works, keep it to yourself and scale the crap out of it

    Bonus tip: if you see that your method is starting to lose momentum, write down your method in a ebook and sell it as a WSO, gives you extra money and Guru status lol.
     
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    It took me months to get a semblance of a grasp over what was working because all the misinformation floating around ~.~
     
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    And thats why Vista sucked dick.

    What a stupid quote
     
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    [​IMG] Originally Posted by Carepolice [​IMG]
    "I choose a lazy person to do a hard job. Because a lazy person will find an easy way to do it."

    -- Bill Gates
    And thats why Vista sucked dick.

    What a stupid quote ?????

    and that is why Bill Gates has more money than you??
     
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    The internet (especially after the Web 2.0 revolution) has become a two edged sword. On one side we make tons
    of money doing something we enjoy and it has created many profitable industries. On the other side every dumb ass
    who thinks they know something can leave a review, comment, or shove their opinions down every other persons throats.

    Take angieslist for example. A person who never cut a board in their life can have an opinion that affects
    your business. Someone who does not know the difference between do-follow and no-follow links can
    act like an expert as soon as they figure out what the acronym SEO stands for.

    -RK
     
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    Very true and one of the reasons I believe in testing these things myself instead of relying upon the comments I get through forums which will always be contradicting.
     
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    Good point OP, and that's why self-testing is of upmost importance, we can simply use others comments as a guide for further experimentation
     
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    Once you have learned some tried and true tested methods to make money and are able to support yourself, most forums are going to be useless as they will just be rehashes of what you already know.

    It's like they say "If you aint makin mistakes, you not makin moves".
     
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    Forums are one the best sources of targeted traffic you can get.