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The new "Webspam Algorithm Update" - Thoughts, Effects and Aftermath

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by FuryKyle, Apr 25, 2012.

  1. FuryKyle

    FuryKyle Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Google released an update to their algorithm named "Webspam Algorithm Update" today (4\25\2012) which was basically the "Over SEO" optimization penalty that Matt Cutts mentioned a few weeks back.

    Its effect? Panda was nothing compared to this. While they claim only 3% of their queries are affected compared with the whopping 9% (talking hundreds of millions here) Panda had when it was first rolled out, this update seems to have impacted us the most. The term "us" here encompasses not only blackhatters, but also regular white-hatters and your average joe SEOer.

    Most of my sites that I had had campaigns running for the past 2 months were hit bad - REAL BAD. They got knocked off from page 1-2 to page 10-50 after the update was released. They were the highest of quality with 100% perfect grammar and were of course unique. They had correct information with images everywhere, perfectly optimized for a curious visitor searching about my keyword. Other sites that didn't have any backlinking done to them over the past few months retained their position, and for some pages, even slightly increased in rankings.

    So how does the SERP look like now?

    Shit. Absolutely terrible.

    Am I saying this because my sites got knocked off and I'm just using this as an excuse to get the update rolled back? No. Try searching for "making money online" and you'll see what I mean. A blogspot.com web 2.0 property is ranking #1 for that extremely hard keyword - WITH NO CONTENT
    All I see is a measly, half written title with zero content, nothing. I guess now we know how de-optimized Matt wants our sites to be ;)

    Sites with 1 backlink are outranking my ultra high quality sites. Estores like Amazon are pretty much dominating the SERPs now eventhough they have 0 backlinks and the quality is just terrible. Irrelevant stuff pops out everywhere in the rankings for major keywords now. I guess pretty much every site that had moderate backlinking done to it (whether whitehat or blackhat) is hit.

    What does this mean?


    It opens a whole new field in the SEO industry - negative SEO. If you can't beat 'em, spam 'em. It's already been proven countless times that this can be done. In fact, I've already tested this myself and it does work.

    The SEO industry is also going to take a big hit as links aren't valued that much anymore. What matters then? I honestly have no idea. If sites with 0 backlinks can dominate highly competitive keywords, why waste my time and do SEO? I spent loads of time and money creating high quality backlinks and still got hit in the end, what more those who spammed their way to the top?
    They claim that they want us to "focus on creating content" instead of building links and they will eventually rank us. Yeah man, then the only thing that will ever get to read my content are your spiders. Is the traditional "link building" concept even viable anymore? Giants are dominating the SERPs.

    Why I think this happened


    Matt Cutts probably got sick and tired of people calling him Matt Cunts and getting insulted everywhere by us blackhatters and is doing this to prove he's boss. (Look at the end of his post about this update - he calls himself "distinguished engineer" AKA IM NO CUNT you piece of shits, I'm a distinguished engineer). You might not think that he doesn't really care, but he lurks around these forums a lot and getting called a cunt is definitely something to get upset about. I personally don't endorse the substitution of alphabets in his name - after all he's only doing his job, but Google has never done anything this drastic in my entire SEO career. Completely blasting away sites that are actively being backlinked? Why let shit sites take their place when our sites have amazing quality and is enough to satisfy your searchers?

    They've gotten the whole concept mixed up. In their heads (or at least in Cutts's head), sites that are being backlinked = spam sites with low quality garbage that needs to be kicked off and penalized. In reality, sites that are being actively backlinked have generally higher quality content than others because web owners don't spend money backlinking to shitty sites that they created half-heartedly.

    That's all for now. Share your thoughts.
     
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  2. ashishthakkar

    ashishthakkar Junior Member

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    Do you think the rankings that you see today are going to stay forever ?

    That blank page website ranking on top ? i have seen them in the past and i am sure i will see them in the future. for how much time it stays there is the question. 1 day 1 week 10 days.

    The update has just begun and the sites that dont deserve to be on top will not be on top !

    I dont really love or hate google but i think the people working at google are quite smart and they will surely show only the best sites ranking at the top.

    Cheers :)
     
  3. inets

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    Yeah the recent changes are showing skewed results. But those results will be sorted soon enough. Until such a time where I know that update has settled down, I'll just halt all work on my sites except for a couple of new ideas I had just started to implement to see if they stick once posted.
     
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    Is that right...Matt
     
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  5. SEOHappiness

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    From another thread on this forum I have gathered that the only sites not hit hard are those that were heavy on social media ( facebook, youtube, twitter ). content ( good, bad or any thing in between ), backlinks, PR, domain age, good or bad optimization or anything else for that matter I have not read made any difference. Maybe that's where our new focus will be?

    Anyone here have this experience too?
     
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    I am heavy on all social media and i mainly use white hat. I got slapped hard, there is no structure to this at all. Hopefully it gets fixed soon or they fix the bugs in the system
     
  7. TNphoneman

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    The only thing done differently for one site that did go down a little was SB directly to the site back when it did work. All other sites unaffected or rising. Now I am still waiting to see what shakes out because at the same time, I had a plugin that went haywire and had a fatal error.
     
  8. Getwhatchuwant

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    Someone posted they may have a "reset" button and this might be true in a sense. They have several data centers and I am pretty sure info has to be gathered from all to get what the real results will be.

    Only then will we be able to tell what the focus of this update was. As for now everything appears random.

    Here are some people who have had rankings affected-
    Sites with no content ranking on page 1
    Old sites with WH methods and good content have both risen and fallen
    New sites with hundreds of unique pages have gone up and down
    BH sites have gone up and down

    The point is its just a big mess and google in its wisdom is disrupting business for people who are trying to put good quality out there. They have a manual review program to answer any questions but of course that costs more $$$ than to let some algo sort things out.

    In the end we may all settle in nicely but the short term affect is something outrageous and Google understands that. Causing panic among SEO'rs and your clients is good for Google and bad for everyone else. They dont really care, the pretty much have a monopoly and until that changes we have to sit back and take it. As with everything else, follow the money.
     
  9. coitza

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    they might be, but all i've seen lately is dumber and dumber things made by them, starting from the dumb ass new gmail look for retards that they forced everybody to use and continuing with banning and penalizing more and more sites - some of which are quite good, and what the hell, many of us dedicate ourselves doing seo, not all are just spamming thousands of links at random.
     
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    I'm using the same stuff on all my sites and some have gone and some have stayed the same or gone up. The losses are far bigger than the gains at this moment though.

    The site which was hardest hit had too much on page seo (exact kw in title, h2, h3 tags, kw density of around 5% etc). Many of the backlinks were direct kws as well. I've just deoptimized all the pages so I'll just have to wait and see.

    My sites that survived don't have as much on page SEO.

    As for calling Matt a cunt.. Well, if the cap fits.. cunt.
     
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  11. darkfury

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    I've breezed through all previous update with little problems but this one has hit a couple of ecommerce sites that i really heavily upon VERY VERY hard.
     
  12. rankjuice

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    one of my main sites has been hit by this and the serch results are CRAZY.

    I was number 1 for my kw now this is what the first page results look like:

    1. random url redirecting to a unrelated cpa offer
    2. random site that does not even contain the kw
    3. same as number 1
    4. same as number 1 & 3
    5. expired EMD (no content)
    6. whois type page for an emd of kw
    7. my site
    8. EMD with no content
    9. Search results of a torrent site
    10. same as number 1 & 3

    Remember people, content is king :p
     
  13. jdstudio

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    making money online shows an EMD makingmoenyonline.com for me. I dont see empty blogspot..
     
  14. rankjuice

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    try make money online (not making) ;)
     
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    As I understood they manually fixed this much like the viagra situation. Just an indication of how much a mess this has made!
     
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    Hey guys new here and really have always considered myself a white hat seo. Maybe a little grey according to google.

    I have been at the SEO thing since 97 and have had all sorts of sites and have done well. I am also suffering from Penguin as far as I can tell as well as some other sites that I manage have been affected by the last update. Trying to wrap my head around what it is they are punishing.

    I see a pattern and have herd that penguin is about offsite link building mostly in the sense of low quality sites and also that if your site is heavily using anchor text links that google considers to be monetizable keywords and you don't have links that say view site or click here you got slapped. My main site that has been affected I can see that in. I looked over my link profile and the majority of my links are coming out of quality sites, none are from blog networks or anything like that. I did do some article directory submission but actually using good content not anything spun or auto submitted.It really does seem like they went after all of us that do SEO white or black and are trying to reward sites that are not SEO. I say this because any seo is going to use good anchor text in their links whether you are white hat or black hat. Therefore if your approach is take action against anyone that might seem to know what they are doing then this is a good way to slam us all and maybe make some more of that adsense money google can put in their pockets. I can tell you I have noticed sites that have little optimized anchor text in their links rise and ones that had mostly anchor text with monetizable terms fell.

    As much as they don't like us I think they need us as much as we need them. Bad results equals people leaving google for another engine. Bing is starting to look like a better choice these days. Interestingly enough my traffic coming of that engine has definetly seen a rise. So I dont think its not just us that are unhappy but googles users themselves are not happy with what is being served up as quality sites.

    Without hardworking SEO's generating quality content and building informative useful sites what would the web be?
     
  17. suzieq

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    Yeah I heard it was a manual update, where some webmasters were supposedly emailed and asked how they were linkbuilding, in order to try and identify the blog networks, supposedly..

    I also saw some posts about too many identical keyword backlinks hitting sites, and plugins like wp unique causing issues, not sure what the foot prints are..

    There are lots of speculative posts, but tricky to find the exact cause right now.. And I'm guessing most of us are desperately trying to get back up the SERPS!

    And about Matt Cu*t? Well, if the cap fits...
     
  18. keinehabe

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    stop bitching :D time to spam more :X :)) ... to be honest I rarely say something '' bag/ugly'' about Matt but ...
    to be honest I`m feeling like he's makes an easy life for some of us :) ... actually I`m pretty sure he's not only one who take huge decisions when it's comes about '' future of seo '' yeah I know hes job/position on big G. but ... it's a corporation at the end of the day and every big fish have a bigger fish on he's back ...

    Thing is from what I see in last time , I love the way how they move :) ... giving a chance ( huge one ) to true spam to raise on serps it's good for peoples who actually love to '' make money '' lol :) I don't give a damn shiet about what peoples looking on google / yahoo or msn or any other search engine :) ... important for me it's I need fkers to go thru my affiliate links and buy shit loads of craps on-line ... how I make the morons to click on my links ? :) peoples from web-spam team just helping out lol :) ....


    Idea is quite simple :) ... you got hit by their update ? take a look on serps for your keywords ... see what they changed ... they love spam sites / worthless sites ? perfect ... move your a$$ and give them what they like lol ... For some time everyone hunted like crazy '' quality content '' - for me personally this term always sounds bit stupid . There is no such thing like '' quality content '' :) ... since Shakespeare none wrote nothing '' original '' - well not in english lmao :) .... So quality/unique content it's just a damn myth . Do yourself some math ... english language have aprox 171K words :) ... an average '' seo article '' it's about 500-800 words ... I think I saw somewhere some kind of reports from 2011 about statistics of '' how many domains are there '' if I`m remember correctly the numbers comes close to a billion ... :)
    Now ... if any given website/domain out there have 1 single article on them ... :) I`m pretty sure english language don't have enough words to fill them :) ...
    So the shiets what webspam team filled you before with '' quality content / unique content '' it's pretty lame . Now they realise forcing peoples to write and re-write same craps over and over again billions of times it's not a good deal for them ...
     
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