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The main problem with CPA offers and CPA Networks

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by royserpa, Jun 8, 2016.

  1. royserpa

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    They Scrape.

    Yes I know that's part of the game and everything, but it should be done with leads that can't even be contacted or anything for that matter.

    This thread is just to proof that cpa networks in general scrape leads and sales even though they are legit.

    I'm not here to out any network whatsoever but the goal is to teach people what networks do.

    Obviously, the best way is to skip the middleman and go directly with the company providing the services, this way you increase revenue and can even get into better deals than what the cpa networks offer.

    FIRST, I haven't tested ALL networks out there but I tested with the biggest ones out there and if they do this, I wonder what the smaller ones do.


    Ok so, this is what I did:

    1. Started an offer in one of the small cpa networks
    2. Each lead received was verified if we could offer the services they were looking for.
    3. In total we got 1,093 verified leads that were delivered to CPA Network Offers.
    4. The results came in.

    Before we continue, I have to say that for every offer we sent the leads, we already knew exactly what they were asking for as well as zipcode locations and so on.

    We had a pretty good grasp at what we were doing as we already had the specific requirements of each cpa offer we sent the leads.

    So, results came in.

    For some reason, we saw that the same "average leads credited" was the same through all days we sent them.

    In total we sent 1,093 leads already qualified by my call center and I was shocked to see the results:

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    That's right, from the 1,093 leads we had qualified, only 621 were credited and paid by cpa networks.

    Obviously, we tracked every lead credited and non-credited and then contacted the leads that weren't credited and to our surprise some of them (around 13% of the 472 leads not credited) had purchased the product sold by the advertiser!

    This meant that SOME leads that ACTUALLY purchased the advertiser's product were NOT credited by the cpa networks.

    Sure, some say it's technical problems or delays, but still this is just plain scam when you see that daily only around 53% of leads (previously qualified leads) get credited.

    I won't reveal the advertisers, cpa networks or offers I tried, but I have to say that this is just ridiculous and happens with ALL offers.

    Call it what you want, I just presented real evidence that cpa networks CAN and WILL (NOT ALL OF THEM) scrape you.

    The lack of leads credited could have easily turned a negative ROI PPC campaign into a winning campaign and advertisers could enjoy more profits. Not sure why they do this, but they do it.

    Just in case, skip the cpa networks and go directly to the advertisers to skip the middleman and any problem with scraping.



    Let the discussion begin!


    PS: I bought traffic to "hide" the fact that I was sending leads directly. I was paid by networks as the leads were real though.
     
  2. Peter Ngo

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    You are wrong with skipping the middleman.

    The one who usually scrubs is not the network, but infact the advertisers.
     
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    Believe me, I am working directly with service providers and I make A LOT more with them than with the networks.

    They not only shave leads but also price per lead for you to get a small fraction of the earnings. :)
     
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    All Networks shave, all the time, and they all deny it! It's part of the game! You can tell the ones who shave the most though....they're the ones that go under for no apparent reason! How many times has a Network just suddenly shut down and everyone is surprised? That's why! It's short term thinking and they fuck themselves in the end! Then they start up again under a new Network name and the same shit happens again! You can take some comfort from knowing they all pay for it in the end. I know a couple guys who did this again and again in the dating game> Both are broke and working bumfuck jobs now....hahahahaha
     
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  5. royserpa

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    Yup. That's why working directly with advertisers pay well.

    EXCEPT WHEN THEY DON'T PAY YOU!
     
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    Exactly why i said advertisers are no less shady than the networks you work with.

    There are reasons for these Affiliate networks to be around, and not getting paid by the advs is the biggest reason.
     
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    Hahah exactly dude!

    Had to find it the toughest way possible hahaha
     
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    What verticals are you working on? I might know a few networks that you might be interested in.
     
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    Insurance and solar. Let me know ;)
     
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    Tough to say, but yea lots of scammers in those niches.

    I was sending them mad numbers in leads only to end not paid!

    SCAMMERS!