The Evolving Google Panda

Turhan said:
Does this mean the end of pbns effectiveness? Most pbns dont get much traffic so it would seem so.
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No. Because it seem that traffic is only one of MANY MANY things that Google takes into consideration. So a classically good PBN is still very solid. But as we have all seen, I believe that it has been Google's increasing love for traffic that has helped the big boys absolutely dominate. Personally I feel that Google's search results have been turned into boring crap because of this. All you need to do is bookmark a few dozen sites and you have 75% of what I notice pop up over and over on any given search I make. But I digress...

-ThopHayt
 
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ThopHayt said:
Doubtful on that. Google looks at niches as a whole and sees what is "normal" for them. This is why there are a few niches where you can go black and some where you need to be more careful. Also, Google is not really deducting points for bad links as much as they ignore them. This was done in response to negative SEO causing waves.
-ThopHayt
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agree.
thats why I neither work with rubbish links nor PBNs for clients in legal commercial biz.
If they do want some expired domains, than that's their choice, and they get it. however, the setup and risk, is theirs.
 
To highlight the power of traffic (both to a site and to your T1's) lets say this... if build a brand new site and then build out a handful of T1s on reputable sites... then say you could command 1 million people every day for a month to visit each one of your T1's and another 1 million people to visit your site directly every day. With just that are you telling me you don't think your site would explode in the SERPS? Of course you would. This is how sites owned by the big players play the game.

-ThopHayt
 
BHW in 2017, where people don't even understand that Panda is a content algorithm, has nothing to do with links. What a sad case. Start testing, stop spewing nonsense.
 
darulez said:
agree.
thats why I neither work with rubbish links nor PBNs for clients in legal commercial biz.
If they do want some expired domains, than that's their choice, and they get it. however, the setup and risk, is theirs.
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Buying expired niche relevant domains and using them for brand / URL anchors is 0% risk, and not to mention, Panda has nothing to do with links.
 
I'm annoyed of seeing ehow, livestrong, and wellnessmama show up in the results for everything. I have loathed google's treatment of the second site up there almost for the last 5 years. Cliffs notes:

I had a fantastic site.

It was so good that they wrote a page about it and CITED MY CONTENT AS A REFERENCE.

They ranked at the top where I used to be and my site dropped to nowhere.
 
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"traffics to your links"

wow, this is my second time to see such theory, the first time is came from Source Wave videos/emails if I am right, ummm, no idea, maybe Alex becker guys really got their own secret sauces?
 
New interesting statement today from Google's John Mueller, saying "awesomeness" is the #1 ranking factor. https://www.seroundtable.com/google-awesomeness-24418.html Which makes me even more confidant traffic analytic into heavy consideration. How else can Google quickly see an up and coming "viral" webpage and get it quickly into its SERPS? They obviously are considering traffic to a page, as well as click-through traffic on sites/pages that they have analytics on.

When a site or a page goes "viral" it is because of an effect similar to what happens on a bird feeder... a few birds find it, they like what they see and then other birds see/hear them and flock over to see what the big deal is. Likewise, Google very likely does a similar thing, and looks for users flocking to a page. This is how/why a site can be almost unknown, but get a mention in an article on Wired's front page and suddenly get so popular that it floods their servers. It isn't the direct click-through traffic from Wired that causes so much traffic that it floods the site... but instead it is that surge that signals to Google that this new site must be important, causing Google to do all sorts of nice things that then lead to a massive flow of traffic. A LOT of small apparel and inventions get launched viral like this. A good example is people who go on the Shark Tank TV show and get a sudden surge.

It's like being a "made man" in the mafia. Once you're in, you're in. The hard part of getting in...

-ThopHayt
 
Google is just a stupid server who rank news sites of porn keywords and spoil good time.
 
It's so true though... I do similar SEO tactics on most of my sites (and I own a LOT) and I've seen this happen to some of them. You get that one big break and BOOM you're getting several times the amount of traffic out of nowhere.

-ThopHayt
 
It's all fun and games in theory, but I've tested this quite extensively and there's absolutely no difference on high quality link without traffic and high quality link with traffic. End of discussion.

Links from relevant posts have always been valued high, but you can still rank with general links as well. Nothing have really changed on this area either.

And even the times are changing, all the same tricks still works, you just have to adjust a little.
 
domainmadness said:
It's all fun and games in theory, but I've tested this quite extensively and there's absolutely no difference on high quality link without traffic and high quality link with traffic. End of discussion.

Links from relevant posts have always been valued high, but you can still rank with general links as well. Nothing have really changed on this area either.

And even the times are changing, all the same tricks still works, you just have to adjust a little.
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That is what you see when you have taken a good look at the big picture of seo and realize that we have been on a pretty easy path to see. One thing to a next using simular methods.

You still throw a bunch of words in an article to rank for a bunch of things. They just have to make more sense. Ect
 
ThopHayt said:
As well not getting caught up in things like 3rd party metrics. I feel that relevancy and traffic-to-the-link are two major factors that virtually nobody talks about. I've spent a decent amount of both money and time recently experimenting to search for good sources of links that will get good traffic to the page that my backlink is on. IMHO this is THE metric of the future. Mark my words. I can give a shit what the TF/DA/PA/RT/BS score of the page is... if it is on a relevant topic and is getting traffic to that page then it will be a valuable link. Soon I'll prove this, I just haven't figured an easy enough way to scale this across enough different platforms to make it viable.But the difficulty is part of what makes it valuable as well, the fewer blackhatters who exploit something the less it is on the Google AI's radar for attack.

-ThopHayt
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Would you say having a PBN that gets traffic to the page that is linking out would be good enough?
 
I agree with @ThopHayt . its not even theory anymore. It was said over and over for a while, first time I did read about it on @phpbuilt blog half year ago or something. (hes really quick in that field)

if you think about it its very logical move from their side. automating links with traffic isnt really easy. you need something. for example successful social pages.
 
seekness said:
Would you say having a PBN that gets traffic to the page that is linking out would be good enough?
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Well, in theory if you could build T2 links that pipe natural traffic TO your PBN link it would be helpful. The question I would have would be if you'd be better off aiming those traffic-generating links to your money site directly or if they have a more powerful effect going to your PBN. I don't have an answer for this. I've just begun to play around with some ways to test how traffic affects linkbuilding, and have not had time to execute such a test. But it is interesting.

In general it sounds plausible that getting some natural traffic to your PBN would make it look more relevant and natural to Google. What characteristics does a typical PBN have, how would Google identify them? Well first they all have virtually zero traffic. Next they tend to have stagnant linkbuilding to them (because people depend on the power of their domains alone for their SEO value). So if you could find a quality link source that had a wide enough audience to push traffic through the link and to your PBN it would solve both those issues. But again... we are just theorizing here. I have a LOT of work and test to do before I can make any certain statements.

-ThopHayt
 
ThopHayt said:
New interesting statement today from Google's John Mueller, saying "awesomeness" is the #1 ranking factor. https://www.seroundtable.com/google-awesomeness-24418.html Which makes me even more confidant traffic analytic into heavy consideration. How else can Google quickly see an up and coming "viral" webpage and get it quickly into its SERPS? They obviously are considering traffic to a page, as well as click-through traffic on sites/pages that they have analytics on.

When a site or a page goes "viral" it is because of an effect similar to what happens on a bird feeder... a few birds find it, they like what they see and then other birds see/hear them and flock over to see what the big deal is. Likewise, Google very likely does a similar thing, and looks for users flocking to a page. This is how/why a site can be almost unknown, but get a mention in an article on Wired's front page and suddenly get so popular that it floods their servers. It isn't the direct click-through traffic from Wired that causes so much traffic that it floods the site... but instead it is that surge that signals to Google that this new site must be important, causing Google to do all sorts of nice things that then lead to a massive flow of traffic. A LOT of small apparel and inventions get launched viral like this. A good example is people who go on the Shark Tank TV show and get a sudden surge.

It's like being a "made man" in the mafia. Once you're in, you're in. The hard part of getting in...

-ThopHayt
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Absurd, websites in gambling, Amazon products etc don't go "viral," except maybe on the rare case when someone puts a spin on a retail store (for Amazon / ecommerce)... "viral" ranking died with mass spam. And products on Shark Tank don't get instant high rankings even after going viral, most of them have SEO's already working for them... you'll hear them say it in the pitch.
 
ThopHayt said:
Well, in theory if you could build T2 links that pipe natural traffic TO your PBN link it would be helpful. The question I would have would be if you'd be better off aiming those traffic-generating links to your money site directly or if they have a more powerful effect going to your PBN. I don't have an answer for this. I've just begun to play around with some ways to test how traffic affects linkbuilding, and have not had time to execute such a test. But it is interesting.

In general it sounds plausible that getting some natural traffic to your PBN would make it look more relevant and natural to Google. What characteristics does a typical PBN have, how would Google identify them? Well first they all have virtually zero traffic. Next they tend to have stagnant linkbuilding to them (because people depend on the power of their domains alone for their SEO value). So if you could find a quality link source that had a wide enough audience to push traffic through the link and to your PBN it would solve both those issues. But again... we are just theorizing here. I have a LOT of work and test to do before I can make any certain statements.

-ThopHayt
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You've completely missed the plot mate, you're way way over analyzing. I can think of at least 5-10 much easier, much more algorithmically accurate ways to detect PBNs than traffic.
 
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