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Discussion in 'Associated Content & Writing Articles' started by findmeone, Nov 7, 2009.

  1. findmeone

    findmeone Registered Member

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    Does anybody have any experience with them? Also with constant content [dot] com

    I'm from the US so that element I'm not worried about...its "everything" else that I'm more concerned about. frequency of getting banned, how much potential you have of making money, etc.

    If anyone has any experience with them please do share. THe god and the bad.

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    findmeone have you tried them out yourself yet??? Just curious, if not I am going to submit some articles and see what happens.
     
  3. Remington

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    They're great for WH writing if you're a good writer.

    But for BH...I can't see a way to do it that way: They have an excellent plagairism detection algo. They only let you take one article at once, and there's a short deadline, so outsourcing probably won't work either. Last but not least, the money depends on how well you write and what "assignments" are available.

    If you're good, that's Level 4 and the pay blows AC away. Great, wonderful, Pulitzer-Prize quality? Level 5, but 5ers are hand-selected and it's very hard to get that Cha-Chingful designation. If you're a poor writer, that's Level 2, and you might as well stick with AC because level-2 articles don't pay much. Anything below that and you don't get in.

    Work there is very sporadic. There's always *something* to write, but sometimes they are deluged in cheapo level-2 articles which aren't worth bothering with if you're qualified to write 4s. On the other hand, sometimes they get a big bunch of easy-to-write 4s. Then you're in the money until those run out.

    Writer qualification levels are determined primarily by your mastery of grammar and spelling along with basic sentence construction and readability of your writing. It's not like AC, where you can pick the "right" topic and cash in. The clients decide the topics, so your actual writing skill is THE determining factor.

    IMO it's a great place to do some articles and get decent-enough pay that doesn't make you think you could be doing better at McD's. But it's got the same flaw as any other work of this type - the money stops when I do. So I'm investing their money into testing various BH SEO methods in the hopes of getting a lot more money with a lot less ongoing work.

    As for earnings potential, they have a blog and the main writer on it claims to make something like $3k/mo through her Direct Orders (when a client wants her, specifically, to do the writing). Personally I've made about $600 in a month and as low as $300 -- which highlights that sporadic nature I was talking about. I think it is *possible* to make the $3k, but you'd have to work your tail off and have a lot of high-paying Direct Order clients. You would also need to get that "5" designation, which allows you to get the really big bucks out of the Open Order board (when there's actually some level-5 orders in the system [rare]).

    BTW the writing in this post would probably be a "3." It's fine for casual writing, but at a professional level, there are some nits that TextBroker would pick. If you can see what those nits are, you're probably going to do well. If you have no clue, expect to be at Level 3 or 2. ;-)
     
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  4. findmeone

    findmeone Registered Member

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    mo4damoney: Unf. I have no experience with any of them as I'm pretty new at writting articles.

    Remington I appreciate the detailed explanation. I did read their page that gave detailed explanation on not having the ability to submit more than 5 articles at text broker. I'm a bit hesitant to start as I dont want Text broker or constant content to ban me immediately.

    I was curious as to how many words they each of them require?

    I know with constant content you need well over 500 words if you want them to keep you around. This is just a pure guess based on my observations. With text broker it seems like 500 words is something they can work with.

    Also, with constant content they have very specific directions they want you to follow, of course some of it is common sense but still I'm not sure if I'd say its worth it.

    IMO text broker seems like a better bet as they might rate the quality of your content but at least they dont ban you, of course unless its "copy pasting."

    Which one would you recommend Remington? Would you prefer one over the other? I'm trying to jump start things off the "right way."

    I'm still going to try AC but I think they content that I'm turning in to them is worth well over the 4-5 dollar range they are paying.

    Also, given I'm a US native I dont have many loop holes that I need to jump through.

    Frankly, I'm not sure which is the best route to take I guess im reflecting in action and on action. Trying to sort things out.

    Anyhow, I appreciate the feedback!
     
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  5. Leila

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    I write for constant content and if your main line of income is writing, like me, then it is an excellent source. It's true that the main problem you will have is very strict quality regulations, as in you have to be a good writer with brilliant grammar and punctuation.

    As others have mentioned in other threads there is a 3 strikes and your out rule but this is generally enforced for those who either submit bad quality work and do not improve or, my apologies to non-native English speakers, for those who do not speak English properly and make such blatant mistakes that it is clear they cannot improve. The reason for this is simple, the prices that articles sell at on cc are much higher than anywhere else and clients expect a certain degree of quality. To give you a quick example I sell articles at anywhere from $20 - $40 and that's because I am still at the beginning as others are selling them even for $100 or more.

    You have two options, to either write on spec for the public requests that clients make or to write anything you wish. In case number 1 your article will be reviewed within one day at the most and then if accepted it will be submitted to the client who has 3 days to decide whether to purchase or not. Within those three days the article is not available to the general public for purchase, after the time expires if the client has not purchase it then your article will go into the general pile. In the second case the only problem is that review time takes more than a week because there is only one editor but the advantage is that you can write on hot niches that sell and get some good money. The best option though is a mix of the two.

    They pay out once a month and their cut is 35% so take that into consideration when pricing your stuff. As I said, I am only at the beginning with them but I definitely should be dedicating more time to it. If you want any more advice I'll gladly help as far as I can.
     
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  6. Remington

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    ConstantContent rejected the couple I put in there, so I looked elsewhere. I found their requirements very vague, too. They weren't specific in their rejection notice. On their forums it simply seemed to be that the owners think that if writing doesn't match their own personal style, it's "wrong." Of course, that's a bogus attitude, but those who happen to have that same style won't have any problems.

    At TextBroker, on the other hand, there is full transparency on what the writing requirements are. On their blog, they have said they go by two standard guides that are generally accepted by English-language professionals (university-level professors, newspapers, and the like). One of them is the AP Stylebook, but I forgot the name of the other one. Look on their blog and it's in there somewhere. You can go buy these books and see all the guidelines for yourself.

    Despite that, specifics vary, but not in a weird mood-swingy kind of way. The specifics depend on the client. Each assignment will have instructions from the client that you have to follow if you take the job. If you don't like the requirements, there's a big red "I do not want to write this article" button there to save you. If you see that you've got a dud, don't be shy in clicking it! I click it several times a night as I go through the Open Order listings. There's lots of good, easy ones - no need to take any with ridiculous requirements or that demand "5 star quality" even though it's in the 2-star column!

    The topics are also entirely determined by the clients. This is good because you never have to worry that you're going to be writing about something nobody cares about. As long as the client cares, that's all that matters - he's the one paying, and if the order's in the system, so is his money.

    Getting into TextBroker, how ratings work, etc.:

    To get into TextBroker, they'll give you a choice of 3 topics to write on, and tell you how many words you have to write for that "audition" piece. In my experience, they rate that piece stingily: They rated mine a 3, but once I got in, I've been rated 4 for almost all my others. Other people have had their test article rated as a 2 but went right up to 3 after that.

    You will be stuck at whatever they rated the test article until you've done 5 more articles. Then you'll get the "real" rating.


    With TextBroker, the word count depends on what the client orders. Sometimes they order 150-word blips (these are usually product descriptions), sometimes they order 1000-word essays. The average seems to be between 300-450 words.

    Note that you CANNOT wring more money out of an assignment by writing more than the requirement - they will only pay for words until the upper end of the client's range. So if the assignment is for 450-500 words, any word over the 500th is a free gift from you. It's usually worth it to give an extra 10 or so words if that's what it takes to make it read well, but don't go overboard. If you find you've got 550 words on a 500-word job, start cutting.

    The cool thing is that you don't have to accept any particular assignment. So if one requires too many words for you, just don't take it. I like to do between 450-500 words myself; it's enough to get a decent payment for bothering, but not so many that I'd be working on it for ages.

    There is no "on spec" writing with TextBroker. That's what I really like about it. You write it, they pay (assuming the work is at the level requested). As for the writing level, TextBroker will only let you accept assignments at or below the level they've qualified you for. Meaning, if you're qualified for 4-star assignments, you can take ones at 4,3, or 2 but you can't see the 5-star jobs. So it's a good bet that you'll be able to do the quality required, because you can't get to the jobs above your level.

    Better quality means you get to see and do better-paying stuff, though, so even if you take a 3-star assignment you should try to do 4-star quality so you don't lose your ability to do the 4s.

    Rating is done on a rolling basis. Your quality rating depends on how your last 5 were rated.

    That 5 at a time thing is misleading. At all times, you will have to turn one in before you can accept another. But - When you first sign up they only let you do 'em until there are 5 waiting to be rated (by TB not the customer), and then you have to wait for them to get rated. After that you can do as many as you want!

    PAYMENT
    You see what you're going to get UP FRONT! Before you type a single letter! This is so much better than the other places I know about it's not even funny. NO wondering if you're going to make $.99 or $3.90 like at AC, or if you'll ever get paid like at CC. And they pay right on time, too. The only thing that could possibly be considered a catch is that you have to click the Payoff button every period. If you forget, you won't see that money for another 2 weeks. I haven't forgotten, but I am always thinking I should set up an MS reminder popup for that.

    I would say it'd be *extremely* hard to get banned from TextBroker going about it white hat style. The quality of the writing in your post looks like you'd end up at 4 stars (although they may be miserly with the test article and start you at 3). Now if someone comes up with an "angle," this being BHW and all, all bets are off!

    If you're actually getting $5 from AC on a regular basis, you may not find TextBroker much better - unless you're giving AC a lot more words than you'd need to at TB. At TB it's $5.60 for 450 words at Level 4 quality. Cut and dried. It doesn't matter what niche it is or any of that - client wants it, they pay to get it, period.

    For me, TextBroker has blown AC completely out of the water. I don't have to wonder if they'll like the niche I picked, how saturated a topic is, whether it's broad or narrow; I don't have to "switch things up," or any of that. The client has pre-stated what he wants and there is none of that "maybe" aspect. So I strongly prefer TB, and now I only think of AC when it comes time for the deposit from the residuals.

    Speaking of the residuals, even with that, AC hasn't beaten what TB pays.
     
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  7. findmeone

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    Leila I appreciate you providing me the vital information.

    Remington I appreciated the detailed explanation you have provided me.

    FYI I did read the FAQ and some of the info was reiterated but nevertheless, it was very valuable as most of the stuff you mentioned was not on the FAQ section.

    FYI the only reason I point out that some of the stuff was reiterated so people do not assume I'm asking to be spoon fed as many people do not like that.

    Once again, Remington I'm not taking anything away from what you said as your first hand experience was much appreciated.

    Seems like for me TB might just be a better idea vs. AC given the circumstances. But as I have stated before I am in the analyzing phase so really not sure what I'm going to do.

    I wont be the one writting but the person I'm contracted with has years of experience and I would like to utilize him.

    Anyways, all the information was much appreciated, if anybody has anything else to add I would highly appreciate it.
     
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    I write for them, very easy if it a topic you are familiar with. Textbroker is good, although you can earn as much as you like but you wont get paid unless you submit a W9, so I have been letting my earnings add up. I check it to get topic ideas as well as earn money on articles. I haven't got an article declined and fairly easy requirements to follow. Not to picky.
     
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    Hi,

    I write for both sites so I can offer a little insight to both.

    Constant Content: Think of it as an "eBay" for articles. Like others have said, they have extremely high standards. I had my first two articles rejected because of formatting issues. They require single-spaced, 12pt font, and so on--if you use MS Word, you have to fiddle with the default formatting. Their formatting requirements are annoying, and your grammar, sentence structure, spelling, must be perfect. But there's good money to be made if you're patient. I take all of my non-exclusive AC articles (after re-reading it and editing) and throw them up on CC for usage rights. If I have an article rejected for upfront, I throw it up for full rights on CC and see if it sells.

    There is only one editor (I think his name is Ed) and it can take weeks for non-public request articles to get reviewed. I had an article accepted today that I submitted during the first week of October!

    Textbroker: I'm a level 4 here and I view this as my least favorite website to write for. It seems like clients want us to write for peanuts, and I will not do that. The "good" level 4 assignments are few and far between, but they are there, if you check. I haven't had much time to work for this site lately, but like I said, you're working for peanuts and most of the time it isn't worth it.

    I'm going to apply at Demand Studios once I hit 1.5 million PVs at AC. I figure that's a good-looking number. Since I am not a professional writer in my "real" job, I need something like a LOT of PVs to back me up. Demand Studios is where the big money is, if you can get in.
     
  10. mo4damoney

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    Ok signed up at TB and submitted 3 articles, I was accepted as a 3 star which does not surprise me since I am really not that good of a writer. my english jus aint that gud..... Hehe. I will let everyone know what happens, Demand Studios crit me with the Hammer of De-clination....
     
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    [1] How can you get your TB rating from a 3 to a 4? I just returned after a long period of not writing for them. A few of my previous articles were rated 4. However, the majority hung at 3. So, my rating is 3 on there. I'd like to do TB in conjunction with AC and DS to diversify and not have all my eggs in one basket. But.. writing at 3 is frustrating.

    [2]I didn't read all the formatting requirements and so forth for CC. They of course then closed my account. Ugh! Is there a way to start fresh there? I like the idea of submitting AC work as non-exclusive and then selling on CC. How do you figure the pricing? What type of rights do you sell it under on CC if you have it published on AC as non-exclusive?

    Thanks in advance for the help!
     
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    Associated content is better for spinned content. Text broker .. you need to be well established writer and have good english skills. I like text broker, I can find more "calls" for writing.
     
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    Usually they won't let you open a new account so I presume they check the IP. Your best bet would be to get a friend to sign up for you under a different name. Remember though when you want to submit something that you have already published you have to prove to CC that you are the original author of the piece, which usually involves you having the same byline on both articles. You would then sell it for usage rights on CC but don't leave the full rights and unique rights blank because it will get rejected. Just set it to 0.

    If you want some more help just pm me and I can send you an article or two that I have sold there and look over what you want to submit.
     
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    I had 2/3 Articles approved today, no word on the third. For a total of 6.75. The money is in my account so all I have to do now is send them my W9. Looks good so far although the types of jobs they want are very scattered across different categories, but that does not seem to be a issue. I just read what the Client wants and fit to their needs, when necessary I google some other articles to pull info from more than one location to assist.
     
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    I just got my little snippet approve with a 3, I agree they probably rate this stingily since how much can you really show in a 250 (max) snippet? I think I'll give it a go and see how it goes, I don't see a reason why you couldn't outsource this if you can find good writers, just show them a lot of examples of work you have done, etc and make them match that quality, for higher paying articles you can just bring the volume down so only have the writer do maybe 3 a day instead of like 10 for AC, I'll post how it goes for me... also about passing copyscape, this shouldn't be a problem if you use the dictation (DNS) method as this makes rewriting a lot easier and I find myself making basically completely unique articles as its a lot easier to get going when you're just talking and come up with new ideas, etc that relate to the original article but don't necessarily have a direct correlation, hope this makes sense.. also its a good idea to mention the use of dictation to your outsource workers since you want them to perform their best, although if they have accents I think it might make it harder for it to work for them.
     
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    So far Text Broker seems to be a decent service. I am a 4 ranked righter, and I consider myself far behind an even average writer. I am only 13 years old, and the rating of such a short 130 word article doesn't seem to be accurate. I just have to convince my parents to fill in a W-9 form for me and I can start earning a decent income for someone my age. Thanks for the share.
     
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    " I am a 4 ranked righter" Yeah for some reason I doubt that... :D
     
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    Someone needs to learn the difference between informal writing on a forum and formal writing that is paid for :eek:.

    [​IMG] Information [​IMG] Your current classification is 4 stars.
    You are shown all orders for which our customers requested a minimum classification of 4 stars or less.
     
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    haha thats not exactly "to" and "too", rather its pretty obvious ignorance and while bragging about being a good writer, lol
     
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    I wasn't bragging about being a good writer; I was just trying to give a quick helpful review to explain the service. I was pointing out how inconsistent the ratings seemed to be, because you see a lot of people get 3s and then I randomly get a 4. I suggest you stop being such an asshole, but I suppose I can't blame you because your reading comprehension is too low to understand the points I am trying to make without being obvious. It also IS exactly the difference between "to" and "too." I was just writing a post where I wanted to use the word writer and I used righter because they sounded the same. Just like to and too. Obviously I'm not going to proof read every single message I post just so some grammar nazis can bitch about everything and ignore, or flat-out misunderstand, my point. I am sure you can fine a lot of grammatical errors in this post, but you can just F off instead of pointing them out.
    I also fail to see how it is "obvious ignorance." To what am I being ignorant too? Am I being ignorant towards grammar??? Anything else you have to say will be ignored unless you actually want to discuss the program or you post something that I think is worth my time after this.