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Supercharged Backlink Experiment - Results so far

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Micallef, Aug 17, 2009.

  1. Micallef

    Micallef Supreme Member

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    Supercharged Backlinks - The Experiment

    About 5 weeks back on a thread whose name I've forgotten, I wrote about my plan to try and sustain a good rank in Google quickly for a new domain. I said I would keep you posted so this is what I'm doing.

    After beginning to rank very well in week 2 (i.e. page 1 for most things) and keeping those rankings for 3 weeks, I woke up today to find my site gone from the serps. Same old sob story, but this time it's different. I meant this as an experiment and I am learning.


    My Strategy:

    Charge the core homepage of the new site with the strongest, cleanest links I could find. I know that it's generally accepted that direct linking is dangerous, but I wanted to see if using only clean and powerful links could overcome these dangers. I am conducting a separate test of using only deferred linking, and I will post results as they come in.

    The main backlinking campaign was supplemented by on-context links from web 2.0 satellites which contain on-topic content.


    Backlinks added and spread over 5 weeks:

    Built 58 backlinks to the core domain (21 x PR7, 25 x PR6, 12 x PR5) (all backlinks came from pages with <30 OBL and pages that were free of common spam words)

    Built 25 satellite web 2.0 sites (not interlinked) which themselves have been augmented with powerful PR5 links.


    I mean this thread to be a journal for the experiment and I'll record any further developments here.

    Micallef.
     
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  2. squelsh

    squelsh Regular Member

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    excellent stuff.

    I lost a page about two weeks ago and got out by building high pr links through blog commenting. I wonder if I had just gone for high pr links in the first place would I have managed to retain my position?
     
  3. MichiganManiac

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    I'm missing the point of this thread. Are you saying that the things you outlined caused you to be de-indexed after ranking well or are you saying that you were de-indexed and these are the steps you are taking to try and get re-included and recoup your position?
     
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    actually the sandbox effect it's just temporary :) none should care about it just keep building like crazy :) and if you are playing smart and even if the site will be deindexed :) you can get it back even stronger :) what micaell do it's actually the right way to slap it :)
     
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  5. Micallef

    Micallef Supreme Member

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    MichiganManiac, a while ago there was a thread where a lot of BHW members were asking "what will happen if I just hit a new domain with everything I've got?"

    It's quite a common question. I'm just keeping a record here of what my results have been. When I first came to BHW, I thought there was too much speculation and not enough threads about what has actually happened when strategies have been followed, so that's what I'm trying to remedy.
     
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  6. sqhunter

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    Hey Mic,

    so can be a more cautious strategy, to let your core domain untouched regarding any link explosions, and just make 2-3 strong web2.0 props + 2-3 Articles and have ONLY these directly link to your core domain.. but around these props built LW's pointing to the strong props and throw pr links, sb, comments and all other stuff to the props and the lw's ???
     
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    Got any tips on "playing smart" ? Does that just mean have a good content? I would hate to put in all that work and get deindex slapped...
     
  8. Micallef

    Micallef Supreme Member

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    sqhunter, I'm currently conducting a different experiment on just what you're talking about. I am doing no direct linking in this other experiment - everything is through web 2.0s. I've piled hundreds of links into these properties (20 so far), and when I see some sign of how it's working I'll make another thread about it.
     
  9. sqhunter

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    LOL, i was guessing your have tons of LW experiments going since you are the most active on LW's here.. I am worrying about my core sites, they are product sites and we live from them..

    regarding this other experiment i can imagine, that the strong props around the core site will rank pretty high and at some point this should have a serp effect on the core aswell.

    Do you use senuke to make your props btw?
     
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  10. Daylight

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    Great experiment..
     
  11. bobandcolh

    bobandcolh Newbie

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    - Built 58 backlinks to the core domain (21 x PR7, 25 x PR6, 12 x PR5) (all backlinks came from pages with <30 OBL and pages that were free of common spam words) ==> can u share urls pls.. thx
     
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    haha, i am sure he will share these jewels.. :D
     
  13. multimedia

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    Core domain in the sense, something like : http://site.com ?? Is it ok if we get 100s of backlinks to core domain(http://site.com) in web 2.0 properties??

    Thanks.
     
  14. sqhunter

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    Well this not known for sure.. if your site is brand new and all of your incoming links are from Web2.0, that may get you sandboxed, maybe not. If you built links to core only from few strong web2.0 but then massive links to these, you protect your core somehow.. If its a throw away domain you use then go for the 100's of links to your money page..
     
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    Dont worry about getting sandboxed, it´s only about maximum of 3 months anyway. And after that you´ll come back stronger than ever. Just blast new backlinks from relative sites with anchor and dont worry about G.
     
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    why are you so sure about the 3 month maximum ? maybe you can tell where does google state this ?

    I've read on another forum the story of a guy who said he got his website sandoxed for 2 years ..
     
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    I`ve lost myself bunch of domains doing different tests similar with what did OP :) ... some of them still on sandbox , others completely deindexed , everything depend just by luck sometime and how much you are trying to push that particular domain ....

    it's not an certain time for sandbox effect , it's not a rule for it , most of the peoples getting back to normal their sites after 2-3 months , others more unlucky maybe .... It's acting like an system of penalty points depend how much '' points '' you got .... I have myself a friend who had a forum for more than 2 years slapped recently he just got it back in serps and it's seems it's kicking more than before lol .
     
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    Another few weeks on, with additional high quality high PR links having been added, it looks like I'm in the "sandbox" to stay. Nobody can say when I'll emerge but it doesn't matter.

    To those members who maintain that the sandbox does not exist, I agree. I am referring to it as an effect, not a cause. The cause is not clearly understood by anyone outside Google.

    However, after this experiment I have a greater understanding, and therefore more power against Google.


    This experiment was number 2 out of 3 that I have been conducting.

    1) Any link, anywhere, anyhow, 3000 links in 12 weeks = down in SERPs

    2) 58 Concentrated, powerful & clean links in 6 weeks = down in SERPs

    3) Concentrated powerful links (not necessarily clean) into web 2.0 ----> into money site... I will post as I find out.

    I appreciate your thoughts and I hope that others will post the results of their successes and failures so that others might learn.

    Micallef.
     
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  19. dchuk

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    So it seems like the most likely to be successful approach is to create a "buffer" of web 2.0 properties that point to your site and then build up the links to those sites instead of your money site. Then, you can slowly build links to the money site instead of rushing things and getting slapped. Am I right?

    What's your status on the 3rd approach Micallef? I'm looking to launch a niche site next week and want to use a mix of strong web 2.0 sites with consistent links coming from thelinkjuicer.com for the hubs as well as to main my main site. Just don't want to overdo it .
     
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    oh boy .. this is bad news for me .. I've submitted my website through comments on about 40 blog posts with pr between 3 - 6 ... in 2 days :)

    hopefully half of them rejected my comments or will accept them later.

    Micallef .. maybe you have a better ideea to avoid my website getting sandboxed ..

    i'm thinking to setup about 3 autoblogs with about 30 articles so i can get backlinks from this and hopefully google will like the ideea

    Micallef .. i'd appreciate your opinion on this
     
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