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Successful blackhat websites

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Patel, Nov 2, 2012.

  1. Patel

    Patel Senior Member

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    Making a website successful (for whatever your motives are) isn't really about impressing a Google. Sometimes you may be sacrificing big gains of conversions by making sure "your site follows the rules".

    Lets say you have a website with { scripts | links | redirects | popups | java| "sneaky javascript redirects -cutts"} or whatever kind of conversion techniques that you have. You may be penalized by Google or search engines because of that, but it's not worth stripping the website from converting well.. And its safe to say if you have those scripts on your site in the first place, they must do something to increase your conversion rates.

    That's why you need to forget Google, and start bringing traffic to your website by other means.

    The websites which will last long-term are the ones with differentiating traffic sources because you have a more control over your traffic. And you get to keep the { scripts | links | redirects | popups | java| "sneaky javascript redirects -cutts"} on the website, and making money off the conversions rather to get them to "reconsider" your site.

    The most successful sites are the ones that are ranking well on Google, and have blackhat techniques, but thats not always the case. Most of the times, you will be spending money on backlinks, just to have your website penalized in the next update. In my opinion, this is how Google is trying to eliminate the "backlinks" market.

    Differentiating your traffic sources is key to owning a successful website.
     
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  2. GiorgioB

    GiorgioB Supreme Member

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    I agree with you about being independent of google traffic. However, currently 95% of my revenue is from google.. do you know any easy-to-implement strategies to diversify your traffic sources?
     
  3. aldragon

    aldragon Power Member

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    Patel you are actually right, and this is also true for monetizing adsense with external traffic. The only thing Google cares about when it comes to adsense/adwords depending on which side of the coin you are, is the behavior of the visitor, that's why after a long time you realize that "targeted" traffic has way better CPC CPA whatever you call it than lets say "bought traffic".
     
  4. psytrance

    psytrance Power Member

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    there is no traffic source that would convert so well like organic, no matter how many tricks u try in ur site...

    but i completely understand ur point... some people around this forum think google owns the internet or something lol there are tons of ways to get traffic to ur site without even think of SE perspective.
     
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    g1pkn Newbie

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    Very True !!!
     
  6. Scritty

    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    Well said sir,

    IN no other business would you accept the idea of only having one business partner, and that partner being an untrustworthy, psychotic and 100% self centred lunatic (Google)
    So why would you do the same in SEO?
    When I hear of people with 5 year old "authority" sites saying that 95% or more of their traffic went due to a Google slap - I [/facepalm]
    You owe it to yourself to mitigate your risk better than that, and getting some visibility on high PR high traffic sites outside Google, social media, video etc..that's a great way to do it.

    Scritty

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    Example. I have one website it "travel" niche where well over 70% of my traffic comes from 4 forums where people read reviews etc.
    70% of my traffic and over 80% of my conversions. In fact Google is barely 12% if you take Bing, Yahoo - other traffic sources etc into account
     
  7. cocococo

    cocococo Senior Member

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    Your absolutely wrong to say no traffic convert well than organic traffic, wrong, how about related email marketing, I know some cats who only do email marketing and make tidy 5 figures every month and never looked for organic.

    How about media buy? ppc there is alot of place to get traffic if you have the cash, to say organic traffic is the best is total bull
     
  8. collywobbles99

    collywobbles99 Junior Member

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    Diversification is the key. Not all eggs in the same Google basket! Like the travel post above, if you have a suitable niche then becoming knowledgeable in relevant forums and promoting softly can surely pay dividends.
     
  9. psytrance

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    Please do your self a favor and open a dictionary after that search for the word "conversion" :)

    I never said it is the "best" because that is relative. The "best" for me is not the best for u for sure lol. I am talking about conversion and organic is the best in conversions thats for sure.... anyway i love the way u argue about BS just to leave a sig ;) JOKE^^ or not....