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Stop bitching

Discussion in 'CPA' started by Flyboy, Mar 3, 2009.

  1. Flyboy

    Flyboy Junior Member

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    Everybody has to stop bitching about how the "networks" are scrubbing/shaving (BTW, in 99% of the cases, it's not the networks, it's the merchants). First, please learn the true meaning of both words and even though the end result (lower conversions) is the same, the actual meaning is different.

    Scrubbing is perfectly legitimate and most merchants put it into practice as it is a part of their business model. For example, when you're sending leads, they check for validations that are important to them and might scrub if they feel it is necessary. Example: We can't accept any leads from Ohio anymore because our product doesn't apply to them. Look at it as "Quality Control".

    Shaving: A merchant that is in a position where they are not meeting their revenue targets, so they may randomly "ignore" leads you send them or reverse leads that have already been credited. Sure that's shady but it happens.

    What is applied to most of you is SCRUBBING. Mainly because the leads blackhatters send 99% of the time are crappy ass leads, so you should consider yourself LUCKY that they're even paying you for half of those crappy ass leads and stop bitching about them not wanting to be frauded out of their money.

    IF you see that network A is scrubbing 50% of your leads for X email submit, instead of coming in here to bitch about it, go apply to networks B, C, D, E or any of the hundreds of networks out there with hundreds and hundreds of email submits all together and start sending your leads to other offers. Don't waste your time bitching, it WILL NOT generate any money. Spend your time wisely.

    Oh and BTW, telling others not to promote an offer from a network because they're scrubbing alot is worthless. Scrubbing is done in a case-by-case basis most of the time, so if Tommy boy next to you sent higher quality leads, he'll see a 5% scrubbing rate, while yours may still be 50%.

    Over and out.
     
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  2. Nick Flame

    Nick Flame Executive VIP Premium Member

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    What network were you working for as an afiliate manager again?
     
  3. Flyboy

    Flyboy Junior Member

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    I'm no different then anyone else here and I also get scrubbed like a bitch but I don't complain about it, I just deal with it and find my way around shit.

    I'm just tired of people bitching about it here instead of moving on, using another offer and keep on making money. So what?

    There must be 100 threads alone in the CPA forum full of twats all saying "im getting shaved what do i do", I'm just giving them a bit of a lesson on what that shit actually means so they know what to do in those cases.

    And while scrubbing does suck, we have to remember we're BHers so we can't expect to have everything our way. BUT if instead of bitching, you're smart enough, think outside the box and find your way around problems like these, you're on your way to making big bucks.

    I don't see the reasoning behind your silent finger pointing.
     
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  4. GreenGoblin

    GreenGoblin BANNED BANNED

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    I have to agree...I mean shit, I lost 15k but its blackhat take it like a man and move the hell on.
     
  5. Flyboy

    Flyboy Junior Member

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    You agree with me? Jeez, I wonder what network you're working for too...... Please...

    Yep goblin, that's exactly my point. Deal with it, don't bitch, move on to the next offer/network.
     
  6. braksus

    braksus Newbie

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    dont forget about lead loses due to cookies turned OFF or deleted by antispyware
     
  7. Nick Flame

    Nick Flame Executive VIP Premium Member

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    I am sorry man, there was an official affiliate manager here who posted by the username flysomething or something very similar, and i thought it was you.
    I did a quick check of your posts and i aknowledge my mistake.

    Other than that, i find scrubbing and shaving very annoying and i switch the network whenever this happens and i can catch on it. I am not sending fake leads, and even though my leads are sent using questionable methods - aka blackhat- i expect to be fully paid for them, just like any other whitehat marketer would be paid. In the end, i am sending them a potential customer, a real person who can become their client if they know how to monetize.
     
  8. Flyboy

    Flyboy Junior Member

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    No problem, just caught me a bit off-guard with that one!
     
  9. mrewen

    mrewen Newbie

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    Hmm probably... but some times alot of programs lie about shaving...
    I tried some dating ones and i made sure i followed all restrictions etc... still they shaved like hell even one of them counted 1:20 real leads i sent!!!!