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Idk why there is no section dedicated just to stocks but there should be one. Even though it doesn't involve internet marketting per say, it does involve making xx,xxx-xxx,xxx a day using blackhat methods.

Well anyways, I started trading a while ago on ES futures, and found some scripts here and there that are supposed to autotrade (black boxes). These programs are usually underground and cost anywhere from 50-100k a month. Even with the price like that, only an idiot would pass it off as these programs are known to make thousands, if not millions a day.

An example of it making millions is what happened saturday. A person made a bid of 80k futures (in order to buy that much you need about 500-900 million IN your account)

Anyone got any information on the autotraders or any thing related to stocks?

I am using ninjatrader and the script I found was mt2 which I am testing it out atm.
 
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if you are a small time player, which most of the people here are, you will get screwed by the big boys every time. The same thing with Forex. There is no such thing as easy money when it comes to stock trading because big boys dictate the price and they are not in it to lose. Stay away from these kind of things is my advice to you and especially now that the economy is what it is.
 
Yes I agree small time players get killed by the pros, remember someone has to lose for there to be a winner in the market.
 
goranco said:
if you are a small time player, which most of the people here are, you will get screwed by the big boys every time. The same thing with Forex. There is no such thing as easy money when it comes to stock trading because big boys dictate the price and they are not in it to lose. Stay away from these kind of things is my advice to you and especially now that the economy is what it is.
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There is no big boys. The big boys are bots. The bots control the market and thats why you see it like it is now. For example, there is a "company" called Goldman Saehs who has been known to have bots. The company is actually made up of 5 top people who run the business and hire little guys to run the bot for them.

And trading with stocks is not that hard (make about 300-400 a day) but it just starts to play with you after a while and makes you all mad and shit. With these bots you can run it on a dedi 24/7 and not worry about anything, plus they have 50-60% of win odds. When it wins it wins by a huge margin 5-6k, but when it loses it only loses by 100-200 dollars.
 
If you believe that crap you will soon bet your house on it and be homeless. I work as an accountant and I trade stocks from work, therefore I know what I'm talking about. GS is a big boy and you know why, because they have a lot of money. When they invest that money they want to know where the price is going. How do they know where the price is going? They have insiders. They have money to pay people off, particularly those that work for the company that they want to buy shares from. They also pay off analysts and if you trade stocks you know what they do. If you answer one question for me I will agree with you. How will "bots" know about insider information?
 
Apparently you don't know the underground of stocks.

The bots are based on strategies. Ninja Trader can run these strategies in scripts. but ninjatrader is publicly available for sale, so there are some strategies but they are shit compared to the big ones.

http://www.micro-trends.co.uk/products/strategies/

Example of a strategy for ninja trader. They are based on algorithms, charts, and many other things.

Also
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=183990
 
Also read this

http://blogs.reuters.com/commentaries/2009/07/05/a-goldman-trading-scandal/
 
I've heard about micro trades, in fact it works well for those two guys that invented it. However I've heard that the Gov't is not a big fan of it and wants to remove it. You can believe what you want but i am telling you you will lose. If you had 1 bill in your account ads would be in your favor. If those things work don't you think everyone would be using it?
 
goranco said:
I've heard about micro trades, in fact it works well for those two guys that invented it. However I've heard that the Gov't is not a big fan of it and wants to remove it. You can believe what you want but i am telling you you will lose. If you had 1 bill in your account ads would be in your favor. If those things work don't you think everyone would be using it?
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because no one knows about them. only a select few. Try to google like stock autotraders, or stock autobot, etc.. you won't find anything at all. I have been googling for some info for the past 3 days, and all i can find are shitty macro's that were written in 05. The only working script I found was the one on ninjatrader, and it still has bugs. I have contacted some people that code strategies but they won't reveal anything, and most are offering them for rent only (10-20k a month).
 
I wish there was a section here for stock marketing. I've always been wanting to try it out but I never will unless I feel like I've got a plan. And this forum is great for plans!
 
As I said you need millions for this to work. Do you have a million dollars? I don't, neither anyone else here, therefore this tread is useless.
 
goranco said:
As I said you need millions for this to work. Do you have a million dollars? I don't, neither anyone else here, therefore this tread is useless.
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you dont need millions. Even with the buggy ninjatrader script I was able to pull money by buying 3 futures (but it was on a simulated account with AMP). Right now I am working on fixing the bugs and making it work, but like i said, its nothing compared to the private ones that sell for hundreds of thousands.
 
I remember reading in the news some guy made a bot who made him like 100mill profit in 2009 and they said like will his bot work in 2010?
lol anyway it does exist but it's not public ;]

p.s have you made any money stock trading?
 
voidale said:
I remember reading in the news some guy made a bot who made him like 100mill profit in 2009 and they said like will his bot work in 2010?
lol anyway it does exist but it's not public ;]

p.s have you made any money stock trading?
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Yea, its easy. The problem with stock trading is people try to think too much, and try to be greedy. For example, I buy at 1091.00 and then sell at 1093.00 which is about 100-200 dollars, BUT people that dont do well hold onto the stock thinking it will go higher when infact it drops and they lose money. You can do it smaller if you want, win 50-60 dollars per contract (but keep in mind you need 5 dollars to enter and 5 dollars to exit. So if you buy a contract thats a 5 dollar fee and when you sell thats another 5 dollar fee. I think fee depends on the stocks though.)
 
Oh man. If you are going to start getting into stock trading, PLEASE dont use a stupid bot. They are so "robotic" and not dynamic enough to make "rational" decisions on which stocks to buy.

Anyways, the big money is made in holding stocks, not being a penny day trader.
 
Jcsarokin said:
Oh man. If you are going to start getting into stock trading, PLEASE dont use a stupid bot. They are so "robotic" and not dynamic enough to make "rational" decisions on which stocks to buy.

Anyways, the big money is made in holding stocks, not being a penny day trader.
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They aren't based on being dynamic, they are based on ratios. When they win they win big, but when they lose they lose little. Unlike a human, these bots will get out and not rethink their decision.
 
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