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Although I started on that platform in my early days after college, I would say they have lots of issues. There are other platforms in the market and I won't say they are 100% perfect but this one is just unbearable.
It's not just BAD for buyers but also for sellers.
 
Stay away from Freelancer IMHO the site was good once but due to several reason they lost the quality. You can hire developers here on BHW, fiverr, upvork.
The mentioned sources will never fail you just make sure to clear every confusion and what will he / she do and what will not. IF that fits your requirements then go or move on to another who does as per your need!



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freelancer is only "good" for small bs...

Upwork have a much better quality.

Honestly fivver now is even better then freelancer.com.
 
macdonjo3 said:
Problem is we are $40-60/hr on the cheap-end and these guys go bargain hunting looking for a fixed job with endless bug fixes for $4300 which isn't realistic. I had a phone conversation with the CEO of Upwork about this. If you want a job done right, go hourly from the start and build the features you can afford. Fixed rate is effective for small tasks - not massive projects.
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I've only ever hired people on hourly rate precisely because of that point.

The risk is people trying to overcharge you on hours so to counteract it I'm an absolute nazi on using timetracking software and wanting to know ever single costs/hour/minute for at least a couple of weeks to understand if they're going to try to over charge me.

After that period you have an idea of the kind of person and professional they are. Have one dev that's been building a platform for me in February and full trust has been built over time.. he's been on hourly since then and thing would have been much different if it was a fixed price job. (people just want to get it done and get to the next job)
 
QualityService said:
You can file a dispute if paid with paypal or chargeback with your CC company.
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That's what they claimed to developer at first I thought developer was trying to extort money from me but the evidence they provided gave me an uncanny feeling. freelancer deliberately is trying to be shady here. If they dont rectify that I will have to proceed and either call PayPal to reopen the dispute or file a claim with my bank as they wish.
 
VSYNC said:
I've only ever hired people on hourly rate precisely because of that point.

The risk is people trying to overcharge you on hours so to counteract it I'm an absolute nazi on using timetracking software and wanting to know ever single costs/hour/minute for at least a couple of weeks to understand if they're going to try to over charge me.

After that period you have an idea of the kind of person and professional they are. Have one dev that's been building a platform for me in February and full trust has been built over time.. he's been on hourly since then and thing would have been much different if it was a fixed price job. (people just want to get it done and get to the next job)
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People have to realize, programmers are valuable. They make more on average than the average person on this forum. In America, it's very easy to get a $80k/yr job programming (with credentials and certifications). Do the math backwards and if they aren't earning $40+ per hour on their project, they are an idiot and could make more from a 9-4 and you probably don't want an idiot working on your project anyways.
 
macdonjo3 said:
People have to realize, programmers are valuable. They make more on average than the average person on this forum. In America, it's very easy to get a $80k/yr job programming (with credentials and certifications). Do the math backwards and if they aren't earning $40+ per hour on their project, they are an idiot and could make more from a 9-4 and you probably don't want an idiot working on your project anyways.
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I'd never hire a US dev.. or UK.. or Australia etc. The best devs are Ukrainian/sometimes Russian and occassionally latin American.

I don't mean from the standpoint of quality, tier 1 countries do generally have better quality or at least at the same level as any good t2 dev. But for the cost.. f paying $40 per hour. Some of the best devs I've hired were $15 - 22.
 
I would suggest, before building something large -get to know your developer. Talk to him, get something small done, and in general work together before commiting to something big. Just my 2 cents.
 
VSYNC said:
I'd never hire a US dev.. or UK.. or Australia etc. The best devs are Ukrainian/sometimes Russian and occassionally latin American.

I don't mean from the standpoint of quality, tier 1 countries do generally have better quality or at least at the same level as any good t2 dev. But for the cost.. f paying $40 per hour. Some of the best devs I've hired were $15 - 22.
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Hit and miss. Some devs ask $40/hr and aren't worth it but just greedy. You really need to test them. When I hire my devs, they range from $30-120/hr. I generally can't be bothered with $20/hr although it's great if your work is easy. $20/hr devs just screw up too much. They have limited abilities and can't answer difficult questions. They have limited algorithm design abilities and their UX training is zero. Usually when I'm outsourcing it's because I'm doing work beyond the scope of my abilities and I come from University of Toronto's computer science program which is brutally difficult to state the least. $20/hr is like student labor (under 3 years experience) and can do basic scraping gigs, build sites and whatnot.

Thing with the internet is it removes barriers. So the market price becomes fluid. An hour of coding from someone on Upwork with 10 years experience is very similar in every country.
 
You shoul test out the tjem first, do your ow. Research on the freelancer, check then out, give test, start from small project. Than to hourly rate, why? A single payment for project is looking for a bargain, and guess you got a bargain work.
 
macdonjo3 said:
Hit and miss. Some devs ask $40/hr and aren't worth it but just greedy. You really need to test them. When I hire my devs, they range from $30-120/hr. I generally can't be bothered with $20/hr although it's great if your work is easy. $20/hr devs just screw up too much. They have limited abilities and can't answer difficult questions. They have limited algorithm design abilities and their UX training is zero. Usually when I'm outsourcing it's because I'm doing work beyond the scope of my abilities and I come from University of Toronto's computer science program which is brutally difficult to state the least. $20/hr is like student labor (under 3 years experience) and can do basic scraping gigs, build sites and whatnot.

Thing with the internet is it removes barriers. So the market price becomes fluid. An hour of coding from someone on Upwork with 10 years experience is very similar in every country.
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Sending you a pm.
 
I personally dont use any marketplace. I am happy with bhw family. I would suggest you to stay connected with bhw people. Thanks
 
As a good developer, I'll fix any bug found in a software/app which is developed by me. And, I'm a freelancer.
 
I have 120+ projects completed at Freelancer as an employer. Never had a problem and I like it. But yes, you gotta be careful, I already know all the kind of people there and what to do and what not to. I now already know 2-3 very good developers and almost do all the projects with them.
 
If you want quality go with TopTal, but expect to pay minimum $80/h.

If you need budget friendly option,go with upwork. But expect to pay $35/h minimum.

You can go cheapo route and ask unlimited revisions on fixed price or look for chaper devs,
but not sure if it is worth the hassle.

If you have money and want to scale it up don't be a cheapo, it's for your own good.
 
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