Spam is the only way out

This is the reality actually for people with low and almost medium budget.

Can you beat ReCaptcha?? If not your days as a spammer are numbered. Also what happens when the other side actually has some competent developers that block your spamming activity..Your business is killed at that point.

You sound like you know what you are doing, but my point is that as a spammer your days are always numbered and you will be constantly running on a treadmill.

Speaking from experience


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I also agree with you on social media accounts, when you build on somebody else's platform you run the risk of them banning your pages without a fair contest or "trial".

Veil123 said:

The paid traffic is not an option for everyone. It requires time, tests and a lot of money.

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If you think 30 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes in the night working on campaigns takes "too much time" idk what to say.

As for the money, that's just an excuse. There's plenty of people on this forum and at affiliate summit who would bankroll a profitable campaign.

Indigo Junior said:

Can you beat ReCaptcha?? If not your days as a spammer are numbered. Also what happens when the other side actually has some competent developers that block your spamming activity..Your business is killed at that point.

You sound like you know what you are doing, but my point is that as a spammer your days are always numbered and you will be constantly running on a treadmill.

Speaking from experience


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I also agree with you on social media accounts, when you build on somebody else's platform you run the risk of them banning your pages without a fair contest or "trial".

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What is so hard about ReCaptcha v2 that makes you think it will stop spammers? As far as I know there are services that solve them, and even Xevil is able to solve them.

Percipience said:

What is so hard about ReCaptcha v2 that makes you think it will stop spammers? As far as I know there are services that solve them, and even Xevil is able to solve them.

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I guess there is a difference between beating ReCaptcha and beating ReCaptcha on a large scale. They log all IP addresses and will eventually ban your pool of IP addresses.

Not saying it can't be beat, but it will take alot of churn and burn to beat on a consistent and scaled basis.

Indigo Junior said:

I guess there is a difference between beating ReCaptcha and beating ReCaptcha on a large scale. They log all IP addresses and will eventually ban your pool of IP addresses.

Not saying it can't be beat, but it will take alot of churn and burn to beat on a consistent and scaled basis.

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Interesting, what kind of responses do you get when you get your IP banned. I've never heard of ReCaptcha banning ips. Do you have a link or a place where they mention banning ip address?

My interest has been pique as I thought ReCaptcha was just about solving those images from the 9 boxes you get.

Veil123 said:

See? It always works

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What was that? I didnt get it.

TheShrewMan said:

Do this calculation:

Find the gross income you've earnt (e.g. $5,000)
Find the number of unique transactions (lets say you have 10 unique transactions).

5000 divided by 10 = $500

So on average a customer is worth $500. Know you know your numbers, you know exactly what you can pay ad platforms and make money

If its not black hat service, facebook ads should be fine.

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Its not impossible, but its kinda hard for me to calculate. I sell things on my sites, and other sites, and personal customers ive gotten here and there over the years.

Like, today i made 5 baby sales. Total i netted about $25-30 bucks. Yesterday i made 1 sale to an old time customer and made $100 bucks just like that.

Ultimately.. i keep track of everything and i make 100-200 sales per month that net me $1000-2000 per month.

I sell a lot of products in the $5-10 range. But my margins are amazing, and most of the stuff i sell can be purchased over and over and over again.

Percipience said:

Usually when you engage in spamming you invest more of your time and effort into making it work. You have listed the on your previous post the pitfalls or setbacks when you spam the shit out of sites, getting your work deleted and starting over.

When you do paid traffic, your only setback is running out of money. Do you see the difference? One values more time and effort than money, the other one values more time and effort over money.

In the spamming camp you have people that have their head in grained that you shouldn't spend too much money to make money, so they take the route that requires almost no money investment. However, by doing that you will be investing a lot of sweat equity, and the scaling options have limits because the more you spam the more you will get noticed.


It is impossible to reason with you because you opened this thread to reinforce your stupid belief that SPAMMING is the only way to make money. It is like running on a hamster wheel, you put more energy and effort to spam instead of taking the earnings and trying to use it on paid traffic.

This notion that "big guys" can only do paid traffic is how low achievers think, they do not want to grow and stick only to what they already know what to do , SPAMMING. I mean look at the previous guy who said that he knew a guy that was spamming bit.ly links of CPA hacks video, he calls that "top spamming" money making.

If I ever had to get to that level, then I would just shoot my self on the nuts and let my corpse disintegrate over the pavement. That's not growing, that's like sticking to the lowest common denominator. Learning to master paid traffic will pay huge dividends in the future, way more than spamming will.

Well at the end, is pointless trying to swerve your mindset into a different direction as you have already taken a course of action straight into continuing your spamming journey.

Good luck!

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What? No. I tried soing it legit with social media. They banned me... getting banned because i spam, tgat i can live with, because its to be expected. Getting banned... losing my 3 year old Google+ pages or getting my website banned on Facebook and Instagram after years of putting in careful work, that Pisses me off.

Yeah, i cant risk money trying to do paid advertising with what im selling. Id rather buy a twitter bot and 50 accounts and 10 proxies and go in guns blazing.

Thats true about getting noticed the more you do it. But i believe i can diversify everything to such an extent where i scale but without punching any 1 place too much.

Im not arguing against paid traffic. I do think its better than spamming. But with my baby money and with my products, i think it wont get me anywhere. It will get me just more pissed off when fb bans my ad account or google bans my adwords account.

One day ill get into dropshipping, sell some legit shit, and do paid. But now im selling internet digital drugs. Not illegal, but the legit companies dont wanna deal with you. And theres a lot of hypocrisy there too. Guy buys facebook post likes for a linkedin article he shared on his facebook page, and the linkedin article is titles "why you shouldnt buy fake likes" lol

SEO Content Demon said:

Kudos bro. After a long long time I have seen such post. SEO and SMO really suck, I too can't see high potential in these things - just spending time, buying links, hiring people and then most of the times no profit at all.

But I like paid traffic. There are some good paid traffic sites which offer converting traffic - it's my highest priority. Just buy the traffic, analyse it and convert it. No headache at all.

And yes, SPAM too is in my list at second position then I just use spamming. In my personal view even the copy pasting content from other sites and leaving the links everywhere without giving a second thought works wonderfully. Just enjoy such traffic and convert it as when you can.

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Yeah i searched the forum initially and couldnt find a discussion like this, so i started this thread.

Definitely, paid traffic is good. If you have money to invest/risk and if youre selling something thats in compliance with the ad platforms, its the way to go.

And spam, well, it works. And we're bandits!

Percipience said:

Interesting, what kind of responses do you get when you get your IP banned. I've never heard of ReCaptcha banning ips. Do you have a link or a place where they mention banning ip address?

My interest has been pique as I thought ReCaptcha was just about solving those images from the 9 boxes you get.

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In truth, they look at your IP as the primary characteristic when you submit a form/post whatever. So over time as you use the same IP (or IPs in case of a pool), they will see that you are sending too many requests via ReCaptcha from the same IP or IP addresses. The selection of pictures is a secondary characteristic when they are attempting to decide if you are a spammer.

I believe that they have a level of certainty about every IP (well anyone that has ever used their services for search, maps, android, etc.) that exists on the internet..And I strongly believe that they have a ranking system for each IP (Example: 1-10 where 1 is likely to be a real user and 10 is a repeat spam offender). As the ranking for your IP address moves towards 10, they will give you additional image verification tests (and they will increase in difficulty as well).

The best way to beat ReCaptcha is to use the auditory challenge and use text to speech to get your answer... But they will notice when you do that repetitively from the same IP addresses.

Hope that helps I guess!

Indigo Junior said:

In truth, they look at your IP as the primary characteristic when you submit a form/post whatever. So over time as you use the same IP (or IPs in case of a pool), they will see that you are sending too many requests via ReCaptcha from the same IP or IP addresses. The selection of pictures is a secondary characteristic when they are attempting to decide if you are a spammer.

I believe that they have a level of certainty about every IP (well anyone that has ever used their services for search, maps, android, etc.) that exists on the internet..And I strongly believe that they have a ranking system for each IP (Example: 1-10 where 1 is likely to be a real user and 10 is a repeat spam offender). As the ranking for your IP address moves towards 10, they will give you additional image verification tests (and they will increase in difficulty as well).

The best way to beat ReCaptcha is to use the auditory challenge and use text to speech to get your answer... But they will notice when you do that repetitively from the same IP addresses.

Hope that helps I guess!

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That's what I thought how it originally worked. So in essence they don't really ban any IP's just increase the difficulty of the tests to determine if you are a bot or not. That seems like a really good plan for those that want to beat their system. Because, since they can't really ban you, you will be able to collect a huge array of tests from their end. It is not like they have an unlimited library. Besides, that looks like something machine learning can be used to solve these images. I saw a paper a while ago about someone solving them by using neural networks, and they had success solving them.

I think the new era of spamming is going to require very highly specialized side-services to work. Like that captcha business might just be the tip of the iceberg, and we might see other services pop up, and the whole all-in-one desktop bot will cease to dissapear for the most popular sites.

Meddie said:

This is the reality actually for people with low and almost medium budget.

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Haha boom!

Indigo Junior said:

Can you beat ReCaptcha?? If not your days as a spammer are numbered. Also what happens when the other side actually has some competent developers that block your spamming activity..Your business is killed at that point.

You sound like you know what you are doing, but my point is that as a spammer your days are always numbered and you will be constantly running on a treadmill.

Speaking from experience


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I also agree with you on social media accounts, when you build on somebody else's platform you run the risk of them banning your pages without a fair contest or "trial".

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Yeah, i get it. But my business runs on repeat buyers. Even if an influx of new buyers stops or gets reduced, ill still earn until i find a new door. Even is a spamming door gets shut, theres a new social network, and a new one, and a new site, and a new forum, and a new marketplace, and the game goes on.

The same goes for paid advertising by the way. They can ban your ad accounts just as easily as anything else. But spam, that they can, but really cant.

Its also a matter of how it feels. If i spam i expect a ban. Wont rustle my feathers. When i dont spam and i get banned, why you ppay me like that bro? Not cool... not cool...

See what im saying?

macdonjo3 said:

If you think 30 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes in the night working on campaigns takes "too much time" idk what to say.

As for the money, that's just an excuse. There's plenty of people on this forum and at affiliate summit who would bankroll a profitable campaign.

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I guarantee its not 30 + 30 minutes. Maybe it is after a year or two and/or if youre super smart/fast. But thats just salespage guru talk. 30 minutes. With no experience in the field i would bet money that its never 30 + 30 minutes. Thats just pretty talk. It sounds nice but ultimately its not true.

I dont do OPM. I dont borrow money, i dont owe money, to any person or institution, ever ever ever. And im a solopreneur, so what someone may or may not be willing to bankroll really isnt a thought in my head. I wouldnt take it if they begged me. I rely only on my own strengths and capabilities. Im old school like that, what can i say.

Percipience said:

What is so hard about ReCaptcha v2 that makes you think it will stop spammers? As far as I know there are services that solve them, and even Xevil is able to solve them.

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Not sure about that one.

Indigo Junior said:

I guess there is a difference between beating ReCaptcha and beating ReCaptcha on a large scale. They log all IP addresses and will eventually ban your pool of IP addresses.

Not saying it can't be beat, but it will take alot of churn and burn to beat on a consistent and scaled basis.

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Thats true. Ive experienced this two or three times. At some point the recaptcha box simply goes gray and tells you that youve been identified as a spammer or something or other, nd you cant solve it and you cant proceed.

I got this when i created 60 accounts on a website about 2 months ago.

Solution? I got a different free proxy, and i refreshed the page. The captcha was working again

Percipience said:

Interesting, what kind of responses do you get when you get your IP banned. I've never heard of ReCaptcha banning ips. Do you have a link or a place where they mention banning ip address?

My interest has been pique as I thought ReCaptcha was just about solving those images from the 9 boxes you get.

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Yeah they can. See my reply above.

Indigo Junior said:

In truth, they look at your IP as the primary characteristic when you submit a form/post whatever. So over time as you use the same IP (or IPs in case of a pool), they will see that you are sending too many requests via ReCaptcha from the same IP or IP addresses. The selection of pictures is a secondary characteristic when they are attempting to decide if you are a spammer.

I believe that they have a level of certainty about every IP (well anyone that has ever used their services for search, maps, android, etc.) that exists on the internet..And I strongly believe that they have a ranking system for each IP (Example: 1-10 where 1 is likely to be a real user and 10 is a repeat spam offender). As the ranking for your IP address moves towards 10, they will give you additional image verification tests (and they will increase in difficulty as well).

The best way to beat ReCaptcha is to use the auditory challenge and use text to speech to get your answer... But they will notice when you do that repetitively from the same IP addresses.

Hope that helps I guess!

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Its true. At first you just click the recaptcha box, you het checkmark and tou proceed.

Then next is 1 image to solve. Then 2 images to solve. Then 3 images to solve. And they also get more complex as they progress.

Thats definitely true.

Percipience said:

That's what I thought how it originally worked. So in essence they don't really ban any IP's just increase the difficulty of the tests to determine if you are a bot or not. That seems like a really good plan for those that want to beat their system. Because, since they can't really ban you, you will be able to collect a huge array of tests from their end. It is not like they have an unlimited library. Besides, that looks like something machine learning can be used to solve these images. I saw a paper a while ago about someone solving them by using neural networks, and they had success solving them.

I think the new era of spamming is going to require very highly specialized side-services to work. Like that captcha business might just be the tip of the iceberg, and we might see other services pop up, and the whole all-in-one desktop bot will cease to dissapear for the most popular sites.

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Actually they can ban your IP.

It starts from solving the recaptcha easily with no images popping up. Then 1 image, then 2 in a row, 3 in a row, more complex ones. But there is a point where you cannot solve the recaptcha because they identified you as a spammer or whatever and banned your IP.

I had this happen to me before when using public proxies. I didnt abuse the IP to get it banned for the recaptcha, somebody else did. But when i tried using the IP to register an accountn, the recaptcha wouldnt let me proceed. But then i changed the IP and i could proceed

If your fb page got banned hit me a pm i can help you out free..
Yes spam or blackhat is the only way for most people to grow

DanDD said:

If your fb page got banned hit me a pm i can help you out free..
Yes spam or blackhat is the only way for most people to grow

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Thanks. Facebook never banned any of my fan pages, weirdly enough.

They just banned all of my websites slowly but surely. I cant share any of my websites on facebook. Nothing can be done.