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some advices regarding the LONGTAIL keywords

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by aladin, Sep 7, 2010.

  1. aladin

    aladin Junior Member

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    Hy to all.
    please I need some opinion regarding your technique of choosing longtailkeywords ..( I am interested in numbers !!)

    I know that I must to choose a longtail keyword with maximum searches and minimum competition in that field, and also it is a must that my competitors have to have minimum backlinks for the sites.

    In your practice..

    1) How is the MINIMUM volume of searches you accepts for that keyword,
    and also 2) what is the MAXIMUM number for the competition in the field?


    3) what is the maximum number (you accept to fight with) for the backlinks of the competitor sites?
    (Consider that I speak about selling products with affiliate links and shops not about adsense or PPC..)

    Regards
     
  2. chimmychang

    chimmychang Newbie

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    aladin <---

    Have you considered looking over Googles own tools and training.

    They do explain the answers to your questions.

    If your doing SEO/IM/ETC as a long term journey and not just a weekend hustle...

    I can't recommend it enough. I made too many mistakes avoiding Googles own training.

    So here's the quick answer to your question...


    Exact / Phrase / Broad

    If you don't know the real difference between the search discrepancy (please read googles training)


    Here is a small example of what I look for... - at a minimum -


    keyword awesome cat toys

    In exact [awesome cat toys] = 6k monthly local

    in phrase "awesome cat toys" = 20k monthly local

    in broad awesome cat toys = 80k monthly local.


    ----

    Then I look at the SERPs and check the following...


    * Are the sites currently ranking providing the best possible answer to the term?

    What is the term...

    => Entertainment / Education / Consumer

    99 percent of the keywords can be put into this category.

    Awesome cat toys would easily fit into Entertainment.

    My goal is converting that traffic into a sale.

    So keep the searcher in mind.

    If you rank #1 and still don't know about why they wanted your content... they conversion will never happen.



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    As far as maximum back links or competition...

    it's all relative to the search... less is always better!

    But doing research as to the quality of the links and structure to the competition is more important.

    Again... check out Google's training.

    It's like asking what type of food should I eat if I am hungry...

    I could recommend a ton of things... but there are so many factors! :)

    Good Luck
     
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  3. aladin

    aladin Junior Member

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    thank you,
    A SHORT QUESTION:
    would you accept about 50 searches /day for a keyword/product? Or, your limit/border is about 1000 searches day? 50 is enough or not , 1000 is enough or not?( consider also that i may not reach the no one of the first page for that query) I thing everyone has its own numbers. That I want to know..
    This is in a simple way the question..

    Thank you again, I will study deeply the Google's training.
     
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    housemusic Regular Member

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    there is no rule... its all about how much is worth your traffic.
     
  5. chimmychang

    chimmychang Newbie

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    aladin <---


    housemusic is right.

    If you know how much your traffic is worth... then 5 visits a day might be worth it.

    Also when I was referencing my search numbers...

    I am using per month local <--- because that's what Google is giving me.

    So basically I am looking for at least 200 searches per day for that keyword.

    200*30 (days) = 6k searches local --> exact search

    That gives (according to Market Samurai and several Google Blog posts) the number 1 SERP about 41 percent of that traffic ---

    So about 82 clicks a day.

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    Take a look at what the 10th SERP result is.

    That's your real goal.

    To at least get onto Page 1! :)

    But with less than 1000 searches per DAY... it's hard to make a #10 spot

    worth my time.

    It might be worth yours... just depends on your business.


    Good Luck!
     
  6. Legioner

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    500+/month/long tail keyword.
     
  7. aladin

    aladin Junior Member

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    @ chimmychang
    so the advice is ti look at LOCAL SEARCHES ( in google) and also to select the EXACT SEARCHES? ( not phrase?)

    I also use market samurai and Traffic Travis..The numbers between MS and TT are almost equal, but are totaly different from the Google results..

    Thank you again..
     
  8. katyphil26

    katyphil26 Newbie

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    I would also look if it is a "buyer keyword" or not when going for a low volume long tail keyword. If the traffic does not convert, then it is not worth the time. I had a hubpage that made a sale with less than 5 visits and that is no where near the first page of google (which I made for a link wheel).

    There is an option in MS for looking the commercial value of a keyword or you can try msn adlab. Normally keywords like "productx review" or "productx bonus" converts very well.
     
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    If the long keyphrase is a top sales phrase, not saturated, then it's a gold mine. Easy to rank. Use Market Samurai to unearth these. Look at all factors including the SEO Competition.

    The actual numbers depend on the niche, the region, and other factors like when it sells the most, how the competitors are utilizing the SEO factors, how good you are beating them all, and how good the product and the sales copy is... the biggest is -- is there a real demand...
     
  10. aladin

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    can someone explain how exact means
    broad
    exact
    phrase

    on the market samuray serch.. ( eventualy on some example: "flute song" sinmcerly I do not understand the difference between exact and phrase ( "" vs [])

    I think is a quite different than I have on Google .ro ( translation)

    Regards
     
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    Code:
    http://www.noblesamurai.com/dojo/marketsamurai/7932-understanding-match-type-data
    Try to get the meanings from above. :)
     
  12. pirondi

    pirondi Power Member

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    For me is 400/month select 50-100 keywords and make content,then backlink to the home page and the inner pages will start to rank.
     
  13. chimmychang

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    aladin <---

    The reason I look at local search is because I want US based traffic not global.

    *That's just for my business and products.

    The reason I want exact match is because that's a "worst case" for me.

    I would rather know that I am getting around 100 hits a day for a very targeted keyword that converts.

    If I happen to become "relevant" and an "authority" page to Google...

    Then awesome -- because I will get the spill over traffic from phrase and broad.

    A great way to understand it is to take a major keyword that pulls up adwords.


    Read up on -- exactly -- what Google teaches about this.

    It's worth your time and will help you in the long run! :)

    http://adwords.google.com/support/aw/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6100


    Good Luck
     
  14. osho3

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    Thanks dear thanks for share