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So NOW it REALY seems that youtube changed AGAIN their views system

Discussion in 'YouTube' started by djlobo, Jul 20, 2011.

  1. djlobo

    djlobo Power Member

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    Source from here on forums and i quote:

    Why do i trust so much on this post?
    Reason: i have videos on my private account wich i use to monitory daily views, i also upload new videos once in a time to see if they freeze, it happened that one is freezed since day 18 wich is not normal for u2bviews (and believe me is not from our side as our referrals are now diferent and they come now from facebook, or other random referrers)
    It also happens that other test videos are getting very less views.
    Our site gets around 400 to maximum 700 unique visits per day.

    So to make sure the problem is not from my side, i went "outside" and tested other view exchangers to make sure this is global, vagex, and so on are all freezing too, its not their problem or either u2bviews problem ,its youtube trying to be smart.
     
  2. djlobo

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    I also suspect that this is one of the reasons that why youtube got their problem wit the view counter because i started to suspect that the views where stop counting near to day 10 of this month, and then day 11 / 12 the problem started to ocurr on youtube with their youtube counter being fuxed on all videos, they problably on that time fuxed anything that made any views being detected as spam views, and NOW they seem to have adjusted it rigth, this is just theorys but that i think it matches a litle what is happening.
     
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    I believe that some points stated on your topic might be also applied now on views, but not all of the points, or just imagine how would this totaly colapse the whole youtube (views would get totaly fucked up for everyone, because i believe that exist allot of youtube adicting guys like me that spend allot of hours watching videos on there), so i with this said i believe that their views system might be a bit more elaborated on the way that they use to check if the views was a fake or not, more likely an junction of more then 1 factor at same time to check it.
     
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    Well, then you're powned. Cuz viewet is comming up with a new system tomorrow which gives about 1:1 ratio (tested yesterday)...
     
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    No need for bragging/thread jacking.
     
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    the known Power Member Premium Member

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    That wasn't my intention. I'm just sayin that not all view increasers are screwed like the quote in his first message mentions.
     
  8. djlobo

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    Im pretty sure thats impossible dude (unless ofcourse that they discovered how to bypass this new update), im being honest and not intending to say that im the best or anything,i tested multiple things, tested vagex wich is actualy pretty good, and im pretty sure that youtube updated their system and that viewet update will not work, but well we will see i will give it the benefic of doubt and relly see if that is working.

    Edit: viewtubetrain is also not working as far as i readed on their forums.
     
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  9. moreoftoe

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    Has anyone tested u2bviews? I actually was using the comment rating method fine until all of a sudden all of my accounts/comments poofed.
     
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    u2bviews is mine and is delivering views , however very slowly, i suspect that youtube updated their views system and that it will blacklist ips after watching too many videos.
     
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    Indeed, we'll see. Viewet is going to use a sophisticated system, which has been tested yesterday by about 3 users who all got 1:1 ratio (video above freeze mark).
     
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    Would a vpn work with u2bviews? Have it refresh your IP every so often.. You think that'll prevent a blacklist?
     
  13. djlobo

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    I believe it will work on the first day, then if my theory is right (that they are blacklisting ips, or that now you need to watch the video to the end to count an view) then next day or problably 2 days after it will start decreasing, and i have been reading about that system your forums, i might not know everything but based in what i readed it will not work.
    Well i wish nothing more then lucky for you all, im not here to create any war i just want to stay quite on my side and having everything working properly for my users, thats all i want.


    Vpn im not sure if would work as that didnt worked with yta when they were detecting the accounts on youtube, but my guess shot is that it would work with views if you have an vpn changing the ip. (sounds confusing i know, but youtube deals with many factors, no one can be 100% specific).
     
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    This thing is gonna get super hard to monetize... The comment rating aspect of it was doing well for me...
     
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    YouTube video views are important to all members of the YouTube community - both to uploaders, as well as viewers. Views reflect how many times a video is watched and are an important measure of a video's overall popularity. Although the most famous YouTube videos have hundreds of thousands or even millions of views, most YouTube videos get less than a couple of hundred views. We want to provide a bit more information about the sophisticated technology that we use to count views consistently.

    Unfortunately, there are people who try to inflate views artificially. Sometimes this can be attempted by other users, by spam bots/malware or even by the video's uploader. To prevent invalid views from being counted, we will occasionally slow or, in rare cases, freeze the view count of videos when we detect an attempt to increase view count artificially. This is the normal operation of our system.
    What does YouTube do to address this?

    YouTube has sophisticated technology to count views consistently. If this technology detects that there has been an attempt to inflate a video's view count artificially, that video's view count will be frozen. During the time in which the view count appears frozen, valid views will continue to be counted.
    Why do you count views in this way?

    We've implemented this type of technology and view-count analysis in order to prevent abuse of the system. Video views are at the heart of the YouTube community and we want to ensure that we're counting only valid views (and not artificial attempts to game the system). Ultimately, consistent view counts benefit everyone in the community, from the viewers to the uploaders.

    U2bviews got me 8000 views it is the only one that works now
     
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    doesnt it show the referrer though?
     
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    Its got to be under coming a new software for the views, ive noticed this my self
     
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  19. djlobo

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    Do you think that if they changed their system they would state it there? also that page for some people shows one thing, for other people shows other thing:
    For some people it shows an post from 2010 for other people it shows this:

    If they changed it to prevent view providers the less info they show, the more secure it will be, also that page shows all we need and all what we need to know, they dont need to change it and include tecnic details or anything, i done this topic because i suspect that something is not the same as it was before.
    I want to still believe that nothing has changed, lets hope


    EDIT:

    Something still very wrong at the most viewed section on youtube
    http://www.youtube.com/videos?feature=mh
    Its been almost 3 days that same videos are on there, including one from ray william jonshon that should already have 3million views in 2days, its been 3 days and only have 2.500.000 Around, same with an rebecca black video wich is at 450.000 views (the behind the scenes video, wich should have already 2million views)
    lets hope that youtube didnt updated their view system and that it is nothing more then lagg.
     
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  20. djlobo

    djlobo Power Member

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    Okay so
    Reading the information on: https://sites.google.com/site/ytpar...viewcountdiscrepancybetweeninsightpublicpages
    With the following date: Updated (7/20/2011)
    And quoting this following words:

    "An update of what has occurred:
    --Currently, views are being logged by our system but they are not surfacing properly in public areas such as the Watch Page or Insight"

    English is not my native language, but this statment on their site sounds a bit confusing because:

    "An update of what has occurred:" sounds like an Past_tense statment(wich leads me to think that they are talking about the network problem they had from day 11 to 18) , but then on the other hand we have this:

    " --Currently, views are being logged by our system but they are not surfacing properly in public areas such as the Watch Page or Insight" (updated day 20-7-2011) notice the word "currently" wich is an statment on Present, and this leads me to confusion because i dont know if they are mentioning that this:

    " --Currently, views are being logged by our system but they are not surfacing properly in public areas such as the Watch Page or Insight"
    is what is happening right now.
    Can someone with proper english check what does this means?
     
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