So Let Me Get This Straight

What we do know is that the unvaccinated carry thousands of times more virus and spread it much worse than the vaccinated.
Absolutely false:
According to the study, which ran from September 2020 to September 2021 and included 440 households in London and Bolton doing PCR Covid tests:
  • People who are double jabbed have a lower, but still appreciable, risk of becoming infected with the Delta variant compared with unvaccinated people
  • They also appear to be just as infectious
  • Vaccinated people clear the infection more quickly, but their peak viral load - when people are most infectious - is similar to that seen in unvaccinated people
  • This may explain why they can still readily pass on the virus in household settings

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59077036

We also know that unvaccinated and antivaxxer regions are the worst. Also we know that on average 90% of those currently dying from covid are unvaccinated, in some places it's even higher percentage.
Again this is absolutely false, every age group over 50 has more deaths in vaccinated than unvaccinated in the UK.

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Source: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1029606/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-43.pdf#page=17
 
What you just did is called a logical fallacy.

It's not about working or not working. It's about percentages, probabilities and lots of people involved.

Pfizer works 92% against the original covid. It works less against the new mutations, they don't know how much.

For some people the vaccine works 100% and they can rub covid in their tongue and not get sick. For others the vaccines doesn't save them.

What we do know is that the unvaccinated carry thousands of times more virus and spread it much worse than the vaccinated.

We also know that unvaccinated and antivaxxer regions are the worst. Also we know that on average 90% of those currently dying from covid are unvaccinated, in some places it's even higher percentage.

Lastly you used to claim your heart issue was the reason you didn't get vaccinated, now you're going full antivaxxer. So what's up with that?
THIS!

I still cant wrap my head around how the anti-waxx crowd fails in simple logic over and over.

No vaccines work 100% - it realy is all about the percentages. More/Better vaccines increase the % protection. At the same time, the higher the % of people vaccinated the less chances the disease has to spread.

Also, if large groups of people run around without vaccines spreading the disease to eachother the chance of the disease evloving/mutating into a form that the vaccine is less efficient towards increases. This is what we see with the omicron variant, which appears to originate in southern Africa, a region where access to vaccines is low.
 
Oh you have proof that it doesn't work?
Do share
My gf's dad died last month from the delta variant. He was double vaxxed with pfizer and no comorbidity. He was healthy and only 53. Let's not get into this argument, because I've had it with a lot of people and it just goes around in circles.
I am vaxxed myself, but won't be getting any booster shots.
Cheers man.
 
What we do know is that the unvaccinated carry thousands of times more virus and spread it much worse than the vaccinated.

Thats the most bullshit anybody has every said.
Your title should be changed from Jr Executive VIP, to Junior Bullshitter.
Some scientific journals say they carry between 1.2 - 1.5 times more, not thousands. But every study has anomalies, variations, and so on.

The only real solution to stopping the spread is social distancing, which guess what, is more common for those who aren't vaccinated.

So even though those who are vaccinated are less likely to have the virus to spread. They are actually spreading more because they are least likely to social distance.
 
The fact is and anyone can dress this up as they want... People were told if you get vaccinated we go back to normal and covid is here forever.

Now people have been vaccinated 1 year later we are still in the same place. Nothing has changed... Governments still feel like they can tell you what to do.

In the UK you have to wear a mask in the super market, unless you're singing. That's real, I'm not making this up. You can go maskless if you're singing by law.

You're advised to work from home, but you should go to christmas parties. Again, I'm not making this up.

This is total rubbish, why is anyone listening to these people anymore?

All trust has been eroded, they want to lock you away for a variant they admittedly know nothing about and evades vaccines but the solution is more vaccines that they said the variant escapes. Sorry but what the fuck?

No one has been hospitalised by this variant yet, no one has died. If you're expecting to tell people they can't work and can't see their friends you need extraordinary proof that the virus is dangerous and it's just not there. Even the EU are admitting this variant is weaker.

America keeps talking about how 97% of covid deaths are unvaccinated people... This is only true if you ignore the delta cases and use a death figure from before the vaccines were available.

Why are we being manipulated and lied to by the state and why are people like @bartosimpsonio just sat there saying "GOVERN ME HARDER DADDY!"

WE'VE JUST HAD A 20 YEAR WAR FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON IN THE MIDDLE EAST BECAUSE MILITARY LOBBIESTS JUST WANTED MORE GOVERNMENT MONEY BUT IF YOU MENTION THAT BIG PHARMA MIGHT BE LOBBYING GOVERNMENTS TO CONTINUE THE PANDEMIC YOU'RE SOME SORT OF NUTTER?

This is absolutely nuts, it's time the people in charge were told to fuck off.
 
The fact is and anyone can dress this up as they want... People were told if you get vaccinated we go back to normal and covid is here forever.

Now people have been vaccinated 1 year later we are still in the same place. Nothing has changed... Governments still feel like they can tell you what to do.

In the UK you have to wear a mask in the super market, unless you're singing. That's real, I'm not making this up. You can go maskless if you're singing by law.

You're advised to work from home, but you should go to christmas parties. Again, I'm not making this up.

This is total rubbish, why is anyone listening to these people anymore?

All trust has been eroded, they want to lock you away for a variant they admittedly know nothing about and evades vaccines but the solution is more vaccines that they said the variant escapes. Sorry but what the fuck?

No one has been hospitalised by this variant yet, no one has died. If you're expecting to tell people they can't work and can't see their friends you need extraordinary proof that the virus is dangerous and it's just not there. Even the EU are admitting this variant is weaker.

America keeps talking about how 97% of covid deaths are unvaccinated people... This is only true if you ignore the delta cases and use a death figure from before the vaccines were available.

Why are we being manipulated and lied to by the state and why are people like @bartosimpsonio just sat there saying "GOVERN ME HARDER DADDY!"

WE'VE JUST HAD A 20 YEAR WAR FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON IN THE MIDDLE EAST BECAUSE MILITARY LOBBIESTS JUST WANTED MORE GOVERNMENT MONEY BUT IF YOU MENTION THAT BIG PHARMA MIGHT BE LOBBYING GOVERNMENTS TO CONTINUE THE PANDEMIC YOU'RE SOME SORT OF NUTTER?

This is absolutely nuts, it's time the people in charge were told to fuck off.
You'd expect people who work in marketing to know how easily data can be manipulated, and how it is manipulated to get the sales...
 
So doctors are telling the un-vaxed to get vaxed because the vax works
And telling the already vaxed to get a booster because the 1/2 vax shots doesnt work

While all the while telling everyone the un-vaxed are putting the vaxed
people in danger by not getting a vax that didnt protect the already vaxed

let that sink in .

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yup. Thats pretty much it
Same thing iv been telling my friends but the vax got into their head i guess :)
 
Means anti vaxxers were right since the start

I could agree with you but we'd both be wrong.

Bottom line: Keep your mouth shut and take more shots

Not at all. You're absolutely free to speak but do expect to get debunked if you post false information about vaccines. It's not that hard to understand.

It just so happens all antivaxxer arguments are 100% fake and there's nothing they have been able to prove anywhere. It's just all crazy nonsense.

My gf's dad died last month from the delta variant. He was double vaxxed with pfizer and no comorbidity. He was healthy and only 53. Let's not get into this argument, because I've had it with a lot of people and it just goes around in circles.
I am vaxxed myself, but won't be getting any booster shots.
Cheers man.

I'm really sorry for your loss but as we've discussed over and over here, it's about statistical facts.

Your sample size is equal to ONE. While 8 billion jabs have been administered worldwide and a large percentage worked to save lives.

The vaccine is not perfect, it's not 100% so we need statistical high number of vaccinations to end the pandemic, which the antivaxxers are sabotaging on purpose for their purposes.

Thats the most bullshit anybody has every said.
Your title should be changed from Jr Executive VIP, to Junior Bullshitter.
Some scientific journals say they carry between 1.2 - 1.5 times more, not thousands. But every study has anomalies, variations, and so on.

The only real solution to stopping the spread is social distancing, which guess what, is more common for those who aren't vaccinated.

So even though those who are vaccinated are less likely to have the virus to spread. They are actually spreading more because they are least likely to social distance.

I've literally posted a scientific paper here in an earlier reply and you're just talking nonsense. Show your sources or GTFO.



The fact is and anyone can dress this up as they want... People were told if you get vaccinated we go back to normal and covid is here forever.

Now people have been vaccinated 1 year later we are still in the same place. Nothing has changed... Governments still feel like they can tell you what to do.

In the UK you have to wear a mask in the super market, unless you're singing. That's real, I'm not making this up. You can go maskless if you're singing by law.

You're advised to work from home, but you should go to christmas parties. Again, I'm not making this up.

This is total rubbish, why is anyone listening to these people anymore?

All trust has been eroded, they want to lock you away for a variant they admittedly know nothing about and evades vaccines but the solution is more vaccines that they said the variant escapes. Sorry but what the fuck?

No one has been hospitalised by this variant yet, no one has died. If you're expecting to tell people they can't work and can't see their friends you need extraordinary proof that the virus is dangerous and it's just not there. Even the EU are admitting this variant is weaker.

America keeps talking about how 97% of covid deaths are unvaccinated people... This is only true if you ignore the delta cases and use a death figure from before the vaccines were available.

Why are we being manipulated and lied to by the state and why are people like @bartosimpsonio just sat there saying "GOVERN ME HARDER DADDY!"

WE'VE JUST HAD A 20 YEAR WAR FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON IN THE MIDDLE EAST BECAUSE MILITARY LOBBIESTS JUST WANTED MORE GOVERNMENT MONEY BUT IF YOU MENTION THAT BIG PHARMA MIGHT BE LOBBYING GOVERNMENTS TO CONTINUE THE PANDEMIC YOU'RE SOME SORT OF NUTTER?

This is absolutely nuts, it's time the people in charge were told to fuck off.

Yes it's absolutely nuts how you believe all that nonsense.
 
I've literally posted a scientific paper here in an earlier reply and you're just talking nonsense. Show your sources or GTFO.
You may have posted some made up sources somewhere but they aren't here.
I also posted my sources somewhere else so you GTFO.
 
Yes it's absolutely nuts how you believe all that nonsense.
Which bit was wrong, I'll supply sources for anything I've said there because unlike you I don't spread misinformation on the internet.
 
You may have posted some made up sources somewhere but they aren't here.
I also posted my sources somewhere else so you GTFO.
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/new-data-on-covid-19-transmission-by-vaccinated-individuals
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0730-mmwr-covid-19.html
You antivaxxers take half truths, distort the part that interests you and then build the fake news around it.

The vaccine isn't 100% effective, we all know that. But we also know that statistically all we need to end the pandemic is to reach a threshold which would induce herd immunity, so we need more vaccinated.

That's what antivaxers are sabotaging, because for some unknown reason antivaxxers don't want the vaccine to suceed. It's crazy shit.
 
Never had a flu shot in my life.. if you’re under 50 or 60 and you’re taking flu shots yearly you need your head looked at, Jesus there must be some seriously weak immune systems on this forum.
Its not just immune system, its people who have respiratory conditions, organ problems (liver, kidney etc), neuro conditions, overweight etc.
 
Which bit was wrong, I'll supply sources for anything I've said there because unlike you I don't spread misinformation on the internet.

Source for what? You just made a bunch of crazy claims
 
I could agree with you but we'd both be wrong.



Not at all. You're absolutely free to speak but do expect to get debunked if you post false information about vaccines. It's not that hard to understand.

It just so happens all antivaxxer arguments are 100% fake and there's nothing they have been able to prove anywhere. It's just all crazy nonsense.



I'm really sorry for your loss but as we've discussed over and over here, it's about statistical facts.

Your sample size is equal to ONE. While 8 billion jabs have been administered worldwide and a large percentage worked to save lives.

The vaccine is not perfect, it's not 100% so we need statistical high number of vaccinations to end the pandemic, which the antivaxxers are sabotaging on purpose for their purposes.



I've literally posted a scientific paper here in an earlier reply and you're just talking nonsense. Show your sources or GTFO.





Yes it's absolutely nuts how you believe all that nonsense.
You're a big looser and you're scared as shit. I got Covid at the same time as a friend of mine that was vaccinated with the complete scheme. I was Ok and he nearly died.
I'm sick of your arguments on this topic.
 
Source for what? You just made a bunch of crazy claims
I'll provide a source for every claim I've made that you think is false.

Don't just dismiss posts you can't argue with as false without saying which bit is false or providing evidence I've said something wrong.

This is the intellectual equivalent of shouting "you stink" and running away like a child.
 
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/new-data-on-covid-19-transmission-by-vaccinated-individuals
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0730-mmwr-covid-19.html
You antivaxxers take half truths, distort the part that interests you and then build the fake news around it.

The vaccine isn't 100% effective, we all know that. But we also know that statistically all we need to end the pandemic is to reach a threshold which would induce herd immunity, so we need more vaccinated.

That's what antivaxers are sabotaging, because for some unknown reason antivaxxers don't want the vaccine to suceed. It's crazy shit.

That isn't proof of anything you've said though?
Literally the first one I clicked on
"New data was released by the CDC showing that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant can carry detectable viral loads similar to those of people who are unvaccinated" "THE NEW DATA SAYS THAT A FULLY VACCINATED PERSON WHO EXPERIENCES A BREAKTHROUGH INFECTION CAN SPREAD THE VIRUS JUST AS MUCH AS AN UNVACCINATED PERSON"

Just 3 weeks ago from the world health organisation. "Even after you’re vaccinated, keep taking precautions
While a COVID-19 vaccine will prevent serious illness and death, we still don’t know the extent to which it keeps you from being infected and passing the virus on to others"
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice
 
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