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So do the 301s pass penalty or not?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by paligap351, Sep 13, 2013.

  1. paligap351

    paligap351 Junior Member

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    Some people say yes, some no, some say "sometimes".

    I just got the unnatural - impact links penalty. From my understanding, this is a new kind of penalty that is supposedly only supposed to devalue links. Well, it devalues more than your links. My sites are off the map and when you search my company name, none of the site's pages are shown.

    So do I simply copy and paste everything to a different url and perm redirect the penalized url? One guy said to redirect but pull the redirect after a month, to avoid penalty. Not sure about this though.

    Seeing if I can get some feedback from those who've done the redirect with success.

    Thanks
     
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    ddederick Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I'm not very sure about this thing. But you definitely should test it. I dont think Google would penalize your site after this. Just imagine how easy it would be then to outrank your competitor using this method.
     
  3. nixonsmom

    nixonsmom Registered Member

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    Create a journey thread where you test your hypothesis out. When you do this, you can report back with your findings and get a lot of rep! :)

    Haha man, that rep. In all honesty I'm not sure if many people would know the answer to this. I may end up trying it with some penalized urls on some low earning websites just to see what happens. I may try it on 3 sites. The first for 1 month, the second for 2 months and the third for 3 months. But I'm kind of wary about the redirect approach for now.. I see it posted a lot here at BHW and my assumption is that it will soon be taken down in their next update.

    But that's just a hunch/assumption.
     
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  4. dinkish

    dinkish Power Member

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    Being as it transfers backlinks, it will transfer the penalty.

    It could take months if not over a year for all backlinks to pass though, so you're playing with fire redirecting a penalized domain.
     
  5. irdeto

    irdeto Regular Member

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    I've been pondering on giving this a crack myself as I am in the same boat as yours.
    In theory it sounds like it may work.
    I did lots of reading about this last night and to be honest i came across lots of mixed reviews. Some claim that it has worked whilst others have suggested the 301 will eventually get passed on.

    I haven't had the time to test this theory yet.

    Personally I am going to wait this out a little bit longer before i start to make erratic decisions on what i am going to do with dozens of sites lol.

    I'm not sure if cloning your content to a new site is a good idea either considering it is still indexed and could be seen as duplicate content.

    Would love to hear more about this topic from others on this forum who have experience with 301's, cloning content to new site, etc.
     
  6. Fathom

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    Yes the penalty will be pushed to the new domain. Use Google disavow tool to remove any unatural links, then submit a reconsideration request.
     
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    iglow Elite Member

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    if domain has penalty it iwll transfer penalty in 95% cases. still u may be lucky in the 5% and not get it.
     
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    It just seems way, way too easy to penalize competition's websites like this. I thought that was usually a deterrent to such penalizations. Surely the rule isn't set in stone, but it seems like passing on penalties would be the natural response people would take after reeling over a loss like SAPE links turning negative.
     
  9. crazedspyker

    crazedspyker Senior Member

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    If this was 2011 I would probably agree with you. But we are in 2013 and neg seo is very real. However, the reason a lot of people don't do it is because of moral reasons and it is also frowned down upon in the BHW community.

    If you don't believe it's that easy to take down a competitor, feel free to post your URL here and we can show you first hand :p. The only exception to this is if you have a "real" authority site that's gained "authority" status with google (although there are still ways to take down individual pages, it's just not as easy).

    As to the OP, I feel as if the penalty does transfer 90% of the time. The reason I say this is because when the new site drops, it can occur at any time. If it was recreating the penalty, then it would occur during google refreshes/updates. However, it could also just be triggering a filter. Usually when I 301, I expect the new site to drop within 2 months although I have had occasions where the site did not drop at all. And I'm talking about doing this to the exact same sites multiple times so the variables are all the same.
     
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  10. irdeto

    irdeto Regular Member

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    Out of interest, when you have 301'd to a new site, do you duplicate the content? or create original content again?
     
  11. paligap351

    paligap351 Junior Member

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    Heres another question.

    For one of my sites that was penalized, it had a non penalized redirect. Is that non penalized redirected url affected by the recent penality
     
  12. crazedspyker

    crazedspyker Senior Member

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    I clone the exact same content over.

    In the past I would fix up the articles, change the theme, interlink the articles, and then 301. But the results were fairly similar.

    I can't speak for what happens if you use completely different content though, as I've never tried this.

    I just know that after redirecting one of my site about 10 times, it finally stuck on the 10th (each redirect lasted randomly from 2 days to 2 months).
     
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    naskootbg Power Member

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    It will works only if change the content on the newer domain with other theme. Just copy/paste the content will be huge footprint and if not now possibly late google will get the penalty again.

    What kind of penalty? If the pagerank is there the chances to get positive reviews are huge. If the domain is deindexed, than forget your site. For deindexed domain all you can do is change the theme and the content on this domain and host it on other IP.

    So you can do 301 redirect from any competitors' domain to new one? You can't LOL!
    Anyway - of course negative SEO trough 301 is possible and special after the last google update for this from about a month. This can be easy done trough few high PR domains (or possibly few deindexed), but with 301 to the domain and not trough 301 from domain.

    More about the penalty escape - don't just get new domain. My point is, that if you get relevant, aged domain with pagerank and authority, than the transfer (the redirect) will looks much more natural. I mean 301 redirect means transferring to new domain to protect the SERP and link juice (can be found in google webmasters help). If the domain you use for redirect is aged, this will looks like 2 aged companies are combined in one.

    Again this is just my point and I haven't tested it - I've never have domain with high profits. All my tests with 301 is buying old domain and redirect to social pages, fiverr gigs and other domains for quick boost and it work very good.
     
  14. AshDarwin

    AshDarwin Newbie

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    What's conclusion on this topic? I am too desperate to know a few things regarding a manual penalty site 301 and canonical to new domain. I've got two of my sites hit with manual penalty saying site-wide matches and unnatural links.So is there any way out using 301 or Canonical ? Generally how much time does google takes to catch the new site if i redirect penalized site to new one ? What if i redirect the penalized site to new one for 3 weeks and revert the canonical after 3 weeks which i think is the time google takes to catch me. After a week or two i will again canonical to new site [Hide n seek with google] will it work ??
     
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    You can try to 301 redirect the URLs to a Bit.ly link of your website. I heard it shall work like a filter, which filters the most bad backlinks out.