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Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by Logician, Aug 6, 2013.

  1. Logician

    Logician BANNED BANNED

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    I really hate to have to do this, and I hope this is the first and last time I ever have to create one of these threads. I'll try to keep this as short and to the point as possible.

    I paid smartman $400 out of $800 early July for web design. He said he would have a review for me within 24 hours and would complete the job in 3 days max, and then I would pay the rest after. It's been about a month, and I have been very patient, with little communication from smartman though I have sent him messages daily.
     
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  2. BigBuddy

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    Approved and smartman notified through PM.

    @OP post the attachments again. Its not clear.
     
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  3. BigBuddy

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    It seems to be no refund done by smartman within the specified timeframe, this thread re instated again. Pm sent to smartman.
     
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  4. Logician

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    I'll repost.
     
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  6. Logician

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    ^^This post says wednesday, but thats because the way skype is set up and the date of when the screen shot was taken, the actual date is July 31st. If need be I will retake a photo, but want to get information up as quick as possible.
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    ^^August 1st

    And if the mods want all conversation after Shitlist was created, I can provide that also. Just let me know.
     
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    Its enough, already smart man agreed in pm that he owe you money. Lets wait for his reply.
     
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    I would just like to add I've had some graphics done by smartman in the past and while hes a very talented graphic designer he is BY FAR one of the most unreliable people I have ever worked with. There were many many times where he says few hours or few days and then you don't here from him for a very long time.
     
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    Thanks for the PM BigBuddy and thanks for your comment Mark. It's just that things gone out of control in my personal life which ruined my online presence that's why I haven't been able to complete your(Mark's) job. Anyways, Isaiah(OP) I'll square up your refund very soon in parts including paypal fee. You can expect a part of the refund tonight. Thanks.
     
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    After part refund tonight, specify the dates for the balance amount.
     
  11. Logician

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    No refund has been made.
     
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    @smartman - You have 24 Hours to resolve this issue.
     
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    I can confirm that Smartman is not very reliable and likes to give his customers the run around. I went thru the same type of shit with him a while back.

    @Smartman: karma's a bitch
     
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  14. Logician

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    No payment received.
     
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    I have been very patient and now I have opened a dispute. Unfortunately, it looks like Smartman is not holding up to his name. The only thing he provided me with was a load of excuses, and disappointing ones at that. Spending the money I gave him to do a web design for another business, and then telling me he could not complete the work I paid him to do because he was so busy with his new business venture is kind of bullshit!
     
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    I honestly respect & appreciate the way you have been patient OP, HONESTLY!
    Not many could have reacted in such a kind way like you did.
     
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    Provided enough time to smartman for refund, whereas he failed to do so.

    Considering guilty and Issued Perm Ban.

    @OP - If by any chance, he refunds the money later, update the thread.
     
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  18. Logician

    Logician BANNED BANNED

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    Thank you BigBuddy, I will update the thread if anything changes. It really is unfortunate that it has come to this. I still wish the best for Smartman, and his business ventures. I hope that in the future, he grows wiser, more mature, and ends up living up to his name.
     
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    Last Christmas, my client asked if I could do an email blast and I figured I could so I made the commitment. I knew enough to use MailChimp, and figured if they had a chimp for a logo, then even a chimp could do it. Wrong.

    Simultaneously, I hired SmartMan to do the mail-out of the email blast itself, basically incorporating new text advertising the Christmas Special into the existing color scheme/brand of the client. The end product was perfect, looked much better than I thought I was ever going to get, and Smartman only charged me $30.00. To help visualize, if anyone is on NewEgg's mailing list, the email looked a bit like that, only the color/logo, etc... were different.

    It looked extremely professional, and my customer was very impressed.

    However, I discovered that MailChimp is NOT so easy that even a chimpanzee can do it, and asked SmartMan if he could help. After about 4 hours of back and forth via Skype, I had MailChimp programmed and the email blast sent out, and I knew how to do the whole thing, start to finish. He kept asking if I wanted him to just do it for me, and I kept telling him no, I wanted to learn how to do it. It's how I'm wired. So, he spent maybe 3 times the amount of time helping me learn how to do it, than it would have taken to just do it for me.

    During this whole period, I kept telling him that I would pay for the time, and in my mind I had a figure of about $100, which I thought was fair for having about 5 hours of expert, one-on-one assistance. We never actually named a figure, and I was a bit worried that he might want $200, or even $300. But, at the end, when I asked him how much, he said "No problem. Don't worry about it, mate." and didn't charge me anything.

    I sent something, as a gratuity anyways. It would have been wrong to do otherwise.

    Then, a few month later I had a problem with a website, and asked if he knew of a solution that he could just tell me. Instead, he got the WordPress username and password, and 3 minutes later the problem was fixed. Probably a small thing for him, but it saved me a LOT of time, and as most people know, you want to get paid a premium for what you know, and not necessarily what you do. Smartman was the perfect person at the perfect moment.

    He also didn't want to charge me for that work either.

    For me, all of the above is SOLID. There's a lot of talk, flim-flam BS that gets thrown around, but when someone does you a substantive favor like SmartMan did for me, that is MONEY in the BANK as far as I am concerned, and it buys a good bit of loyalty from me, hence this post. Smart Man is GOOD PEOPLE, he does GOOD WORK, and while I don't disagree with the "flakiness" of other people's experiences (I've had a bit myself, but talking about that is not my role here.) I am certain that there is no dishonest/scamming intent here. Who knows what personal/financial/family/etc.... issues he may be having? Who here has not had them interfere with their ability to perform their work?

    I don't object to the ban. Obviously something must be done. I DO object to the Permanent ban. SmartMan deserves a way out, and I think that if Mods here were to lay-out the conditions by which SmartMan could earn his way back, I think that everyone could win. Those that are owed money would have a better chance of getting it, as SmartMan is incentivized to do so, SmartMan has an opportunity to continue earning his living by servicing the Members here at BHW, and BHW overall would be improved by the presence of SmartMan and the wide body of knowledge and the skill-set that he brings.

    And this isn't just yapping on my part, either. It's not much, but I will contribute $100.00 to help SmartMan compensate those that are owed money. It's only what I feel like I owe him anyways, and now it looks like he needs it. Not sure exactly how the money can be transferred and to who, but I will do it if it helps to get him back on track. I guess that's it. Can't think of anything else that needs to be said, except for that I hope BHW reconsiders the situation.
     
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  20. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    You are being unreasonable here. Read BB 's post, he says:

    Why do you think he says that?

    The reason this section exists is to find solutions, not handle bans.

    And then there 's also those future clients we must think about. Each case is unique and is judged by the mod who is in charge of the shitlist. Don't you think that we already take this very seriously and have put a considerable amount of thought into it? Do you think we 're taking it lightly?

    Well, if you want to do that, go ahead and talk with BB - don't just post it.
     
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