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Skyfall Update: PBN Information - Footprints

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by JournoNick, Sep 26, 2014.

  1. JournoNick

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    Looks as though this hasn't been released yet, but it is looking as though the new Google Patent for the algorithm is going to be able to spot footprints based in the relationship between inbound links to a domain (your expired domain) and the outbound links (links to your sites).

    The video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fOIfLNQzr4

    The directly impacts an inbound linking strategy (PBN Links) and how Google will find you and issue a penalty.

    The video gives you an idea on how to avoid it, but really, if you're doing things correctly you have nothing to worry about.

    This is a warning to people buying links from bad services and people that own networks and had 2 or more domain de-indexed recently.
     
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    Things are about to get interesting...
     
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    Randomize. Randomize.
     
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    I watched the video and couldn't see what is the big deal. What exactly is new here?
     
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  5. myopic1

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    I agree. It's common knowledge here that google looks back 3-4 sites (or 3 levels deep as they put it) and how they interlink - that's how tiered link building was borne.

    Seems like an overhyped sales pitch. IP's have long been monitored to see how they hop servers as we visit other sites, as long as your not utilising Google products e.g web masters and anlytics, they can't tie your websites together simply by you visiting them one after another.
     
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    Ok, After going through everything on this patent and spending some time digging on what these guys are offering/selling. I'm not sold on PBN's being done for yet!


    I don't know the people in the video that well and they seem really intelligent, but this could be a marketing campaign to get more members into their training.


    I've read through this patent at least 3 times and nothing really struck me as oh shit I better kill my PBN's now.


    I would like to see the other patent they mention, but you have to be a member to even see it.


    I've gone through a good bit of their content and they have some great content on SILOs and linking strategies.


    They promote a strategy called PBBN (Personal Brand Broadcast Network)


    It's not a new concept and basically it's just content syndication stacked on a PBN.


    I think we need more eyes on this patent and it's implications. I'm not 100% sold yet.
     
  7. SEO Power

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    I quit reading and following patents years ago and subsequently began following what works from my observation of the SERPs. This patent isn't particularly interesting, just like the others I've read.

    Nevertheless, if this patent was in use, linking to your sites from relevant blogs in your network would be the way forward. The link injection technique commonly being used would become obsolete, and I would utter this loud and clear:

    "it was a great way to milk an expired domain while it lasted"
     
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    SkyFall.....Buzz...Update...Struck right at the heart....advanced security experts....military level software....behind the scenes... what a LOAD OF STEAMING CRAP
     
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  9. rvasque0

    rvasque0 Newbie

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    i thought g00gle was doing this anyway but now i know they are
     
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    Damn, don't remember the last time I tried to listen to so much mummbling... I gave up after 2 mins... sorry.
     
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  11. chris374

    chris374 Newbie

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    They say in the video that Google will be tracking YOU as you build links. It looks like Google will be tracking you when you log into wordpress blogs. So if you login to wordpress in your money site and your PR site, then your PR site gets penalized.
     
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    This all sounds like a sales pitch to me. I thought google does that anyway
     
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    I'll try and explain the patent in it's most basic form. I think the only thing being patented is the 225 ranking component which consists of 2 things (405,410).


    1.) The set location component (405) - This is the equation used to classify websites affiliation with each other and organizing the search results based on affiliation (I'm guessing it's how Google knows which sites to show in it's results when you do a search). The only thing mentioned on how they will actually identify affiliation between documents (websites) is in FIG. 4


    This is what it says: "the determination of affiliation can be based on the link graph structure of the documents, traffic patterns to the documents, or similarity of features such as the hostname or the IP address of the documents. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_theory )


    As another example, in the context of the web, the link graph structure of the documents can be used to measure affiliation between web documents based on the strength of the linkage between web sites hosting the documents.


    Additionally, traffic patterns on the web can be used to detect affiliation between web documents that are visited by many users in the same session. Still further, the IP addresses of two web servers can be compared and if the leading two or three components (octets) of the ID address are identical, affiliation can be inferred."


    2.) Rank Computation Component (410) - This is the actual equation that is applied to Google's databases of search results to determine how to order the affiliated documents (search results).


    It looks like the rankings given for a set of affiliated documents is done in 3 phases utilizing different equations and be done in any order and as many times needed. Refer to FIG 6-8 to see the equations.


    Even though we know the equations we don't know all the variables Google takes into account. (They wouldn't share that anyways because it would give others an unfair advantage)


    Everything else mentioned in the patent is just to demonstrate how Google's 225 ranking components will work. It has nothing to do with what you do on your computer or anything else this video talks about.


    I believe Google just had to properly demonstrate how their software operates in a real world situation for it to be applicable. This goes for any patent.


    There is absolutely nothing to worry about based on my thorough investigation into this patent.


    If the creators of this video want to release the other patent they mention I will be more than happy to go through it.
     
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  14. Reyone

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    Easy enough, isn't it? Build real websites and not shitty ass thin sites.
     
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  15. llewopsnimajneb

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    I think that there is a real possibility that tracking a user from site to site will assess if you are creating a link network.
    you login on your money site - fine no problem
    then you go to another site that has a link to your money site, and login...and do that again on another site, and again and so on.. Then Google will assume that you have created a network.

    that is what I took away from the hype.

    also that they will not only use your site history to track your movements, but your commuters configuration as well... Eg: a 2.5gz quad core, pic with 180 gig hdd, running windows 7, registered in x date, with x software, visited this site.

    that is what I see happening.
     
  16. shahbaztamboli

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    thanks for the Post and the Video
     
  17. LisaHamilton

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    I am sure this video is going to help me for the next PBN plan... it looks effective