Sizing up a niche

Awesome share, i love it when people actually put time and effort into an idea they have and then are kind enough to share it. Ill probably end up using a variation of this sometime. Now you got my brain working

x4ng3l said:

This is a great post, more i have more one question...

Can u say off keyword spy, google cash detective and firefox seo?

Is possible give links for download?

thanks!

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Please don't hijack this thread. Quick answer: none of these products is downloadable, as far as I know.

If this thread is interesting to you, you should also find the following thread a good read:

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/95247-figuring-out-authority-site.html

Cool Stuff, For Sure People Need That Info, There Is Some Complete Noobs On Here, Some Don't Even Know Why They Signed Up

FleshJoe, I am interested to know more about this assertion.

What I meant to say is that nofollow links contribute just as much RELEVANCE for the anchor text keyword as ******** links. And in the end google ranks not only by PR, so the link is still very significant for ranking, but maybe not as important as a link that passes PR.

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Now, you may indeed be right about this.

However, what I have been searching for over the last few weeks is evidence for google's checking for backlink relevancy when it is calculating your serp placement. I want to be sure about this issue, because I think that searching for relevant high PR DoFollows takes 5x as long as getting links from non-relevant sites.

Let's say I have a Hotel Review site. All sites in this exercise have an equal number of outbound links. All links carry keyword targetted anchor text.

I get a PR5 ******** backlink from a baseball site. Google's algorithm awards me a 0.15 increase in serp position for this (an increase of 1.0 would mean I move up one position) (and yes, I know it doesnt actually work like this)

Then, I get a PR5 nofollow backlink from another hotel related site. Would I get less, the same, or more advantage from this backlink? Importantly, what is the evidence.

The backlink relevancy theory sounds like it makes sense, and I apopreciate that it may well be correct.

I am just looking for evidence, because as I mentioned above, a lot of work and effort is at stake. I personally have had sites rank with no relevant backlinks.

Of course, that does not mean that they would not have ranked even better with relevant backlinks .

OK, very simple:

******** links contribute to the target page's Page Rank.
Nofollow links do not contribute.

******** links contribute to the target page's relevance for the term in the anchor text.
Nofollow links also contribute.

Links on pages that are also relevant to the target page contribute to the relevance of the target page.
Links on pages that are not relevant to the target page contribute perhaps less to the relevance of the target page, but it's hard to prove either way.

Page rank is one contributing factor to ranking well for ANY term. However, in my experience, anchor text relevance is much more crucial for ranking. You can pretty much control what terms a page will rank well for, by creating more links than your competition with anchor text that contains those terms. I haven't seen evidence either way whether ******** contributes more than nofollow, but as we agree evidence is hard to come by, and an experiment would have to be of such scale as to be too large for a single person to conduct.

To find ******** links I have SEO for FF installed, I turn it on before visiting a page where I want to drop a link and look at the color of the links. Bright red == nofollow.

I find myself ignoring (as link drop targets) any sites that have domain PR of less than 6 for '.com' and '.net', less than 4 for '.edu' and '.gov', and I skip anything with a domain PR of 8 or less if it has nofollow links. The reason is simple: there are so many great places to drop your links that it's not productive to fight for nofollow links. Some people will drop links on drop targets whether or not they are nofollow, and some other people dispense with the PR checking altogether. All three approaches are 'right': in the end a link is a link is a link is a link. And you cannot ever have too many links

Top Stuff, I Never Actually Considered Doing That, I Will Have To Put This Into Practice, Thnx And Cool Info!!!!!!

You mentined inurl and intitle limits for 2 word keywords, but what about 3 or 4? Occasionally I get keywords that are that long. What's been your cuttoff with keywords like those?

This is a fantastic thread, applying thank you . . . now.

-S

I don't really have enough insight and experience to answer the question about cut-offs for 3 and 4 word key phrases, sorry

FleshJoe said:

I don't really have enough insight and experience to answer the question about cut-offs for 3 and 4 word key phrases, sorry

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Fair enough, thank you for taking the time to answer!

-S

Hey again FJ, one other quick question . . . You know how backlinkwatch, and yahoo's site explorer sometimes doesn't show you all of the backlinks to a site?

Wouldn't that lead to miscalculations as to how much competition a website is? If so, is there some way to adjust for that.

-S

The real value of the competition is the strength of their links. If they have >10K PR0 links I dont really care that much, what I want to see is their strong links.

Now lets say a page is listed as having 80K backlinks. Since backlinkwatch shows me a 1K sampling of the links, I just look to see how many strong links there are in the 1K that it does show me, and extrapolate from there.

Most pages do not have this problem anyways. Most pages have less than 1K backlinks and you get to see all of them.

I think I understand. I was referring more to situations where the backlink count was under 100. If the actual backlink count is say 100, BLW only sees like 45 of those or something like that (I'm not sure how much). But if I understand what you said correctly, regardless of how many BLW returns, we're more concerned about the strength of the results.

-S

Well a PR6 backlink is like 100 PR4 backlinks (its a power scale).

the cleanest guide i've seen in a while! ..wish i was that organized.

for "Exact Phrase" count, those of you using MNF, its manual says go for less than 10k results.
That seemed a little low to me, and went for anything < 20k ..what do u think?

always giving thanks

Great thread!

You said "The preliminary step is keyword research. There's books and books on that" Actually, I've been looking for books (real ones, not crap 10 page ebooks) on the subject but haven't found any.

Could anyone name a few good books on the subject I could check out? Keyword research is really the most basic aspect of IM, so I want to learn it properly.

Great post thankyou you have cleared up alot of things for me.

What a dick i said post

Actually i did have one more question, I have found a 2 word keywor but i`m not sure if i should go for it nor not. gets 9,900 global a month according to google adwords, but when i use wordtracker it says 44! who to trust?

I could dominate the third, forth position very easily maybe even the second. Is it worth it

btw. i have learnt so much from just snooping around here and am now earning around $300-$400 a month, it was hard work at first and i have made loads of mistakes but i`m not giving up, its TOO addictive

Thanks Flesh and thankyou BHW.

LOL, stuff happens.

The number of searches is immaterial to how hard it is to rank for a keyword. The number of searches only helps you decide whether monetarily it is worth your time to compete in a niche -- whether there'll be enough surfers and conversions.

If you'll send me the keywords via PM I'm volunteering to take a look at the competition and give you my opinion. I strongly advise you not to post any info like that in the open, it's just an invitation for some smart marketer to outdo you.

mrmidjam said:

What a dick i said post

Actually i did have one more question, I have found a 2 word keywor but i`m not sure if i should go for it nor not. gets 9,900 global a month according to google adwords, but when i use wordtracker it says 44! who to trust?

I could dominate the third, forth position very easily maybe even the second. Is it worth it

btw. i have learnt so much from just snooping around here and am now earning around $300-$400 a month, it was hard work at first and i have made loads of mistakes but i`m not giving up, its TOO addictive

Thanks Flesh and thankyou BHW.

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Thanks m8 PM sent.