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Should I start a shit list thread

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Eagle Eye, Jan 1, 2013.

  1. Eagle Eye

    Eagle Eye Senior Member

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    So I have purchased 2 services in the past few weeks that did not go as planned.

    1 service was a brand new seo service. The TAT on this one was 5-7 days and was delivered 10 days late after alot of effort on my part to push it ahead. The communication from the providers of the service was horrible but finally it was delivered. Still waiting to see some results and I am to write a review for them as I got a discount. The problem is do I be totally honest for the betterment of the community or do i just not mention the negatives?

    The other service was a complete disaster as the service provider stated that the product would be delivered in 24 hours max. It was just a logo, header and footer job. I paid this dude upfront and expected professional results. I still have not got this one delivered and its been over 1 week now.All that was delivered was lie after lie. The thing is this is for a client of mine and it has been a complete embarrassment to me. I never used this individual b4 but from his reputation and itrader score I felt confident that he was legit. I was really, really wrong about this and I have learned a lesson.

    My dilemma is that I don't want to start a firestorm but I feel I should give back to the community that has done so much for me and tell the truth so other honest members don't get scammed.

    If anyone has experienced this and could offer some useful advice i would appreciate it.
     
  2. ksmiley

    ksmiley Junior Member

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    I think you should warn people about your second deal, but the first one was delivered in the end right.

    and you posted this in the shitlist thread already lol. just not with all the details.
     
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  3. GiorgioB

    GiorgioB Supreme Member

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    I guess the second one is a scam. you shouldn't rely on rep and itrader scores to trust people with your money. To be honest, in my opinion, and i only mean this as a constructive remark, but you are not a very professional buyer, which is why you are in this situation now. test lots of small scale services, measure the +/- effects on your test website, and then select the good ones and resell those.
    If you are reselling seo services, you should have back up plans and be able to cover one order even if your guy is unavailable, you can't let your customers down.
     
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  4. Eagle Eye

    Eagle Eye Senior Member

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    Yes this is the lesson I learned. I appreciate your constructive remarks
     
  5. kelvin.thechamp

    kelvin.thechamp Power Member

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    if you think you really scam or got some bullshit services after lot of excuses and too much effort dont look rep and itrade call them out as lately its seen lot of rep users turn biggest scammer here i feel your pain
     
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  6. Eagle Eye

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    I think maybe these service providers get overwhelmed. The thing is though they need to be honest with the customers and not lie to them. This is what really makes me mad....the lies. Honesty goes a lot further than lies ever will.

    Thanks for the feedback.
     
  7. B. Friendly

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    I'll mention a couple of standards to consider, as you don't see them mentioned on this forum very often.

    First, the Shit List has RULES, and although many people ignore them, and Mods & Staff are very good about ignoring posts that are clearly not within the purview of what BHW involves itself, I still think that there is an ettiquette that should be followed TO THE LETTER, when someone is posting a SL thread against someone that isn't an authorized BHW BST Seller.

    Many (most?) SL posters are whiny little girls that want other people to fix the mistakes that they've made, and you can tell this by how little effort they put into reading the rules, understanding them, why they are there (what their purpose is), and then putting effort into their 1st post. Most often, more senior members have to come along and push them into providing some kind of evidence, the profile of the BHW that "scammed" them, etc... The tolerance of these half-assed shit list thread by forum staff is an ongoing testament to their generosity. If I owned this forum, I wouldn't be half as tolerant.

    So, read and understand the rules, particularly if you post a shit list thread where you know in advance that the transactions you are complaining about really do not fall within the rules. If you are going to ignore THAT one, then make absolutely certain to follow all of the other rules perfectly and exactly.

    Second, as yourself if the word "scam" honestly applies. A "scam" is a transaction where one of the parties either knowingly initiates a transaction with the express intent of defrauding another person, or somehow in the middle of the transactions, the circumstances are favorable enough so that the "scammer" chooses to (for example) keep all the money and do none of the work, or whatever.

    So, slow service, poor service, poor quality work or whatever does not count as a "scam". The basic question to answer when trying to determine whether or not a "scam" has happened is "Was the work. product or service that was paid for eventually delivered?". If yes, then it's not a scam. If no, then it probably is.

    However, some transactions are complex, where there are "scams" going in two directions. When two dishonest people get together to do a deal, just about anything can happen and there isn't much point in trying to sort out which of the two is the scammer. That's an FYI for anyone that wants to play the childhood game of being the first child to tell on another. BHW staff are pretty good at ignoring the "timing" of the allegations and frequently make the determination that BOTH of the parties involved are scammers, and sometimes BOTH of them get banned, lol.

    So, if it's honestly a scam, do a SL thread. It's a service to the entire community. You might save someone else from being scammed, as well as allowing an honest Seller the opportunity to provide good service to someone that needs it, and make some money. Consider the "opportunity cost" everytime an honest Buyer gets scammed by a dishonest Seller. That money could have gone in a different direction and two parties could have benefited, instead of one party being scammed, and the other getting nothing. Beyond that, it's a service to newbs to read about how scams happen, and how they can be avoided. "Warning Signals" if you will, such as an unwillingness to take payment in PayPal, or a request that the payment be made as a "gift" or as "electronic goods".

    However, if it's not a scam, all these reasons (above) are still valid; the only thing that changes is the forum, or venue if you will. Leave an honest, detailed review. You can do a "rant" style thread in the Lounge, also. Keep it honest and factually accurate, and title the thread well (such as using the scammer's BHW username, etc...) and it's possible that you might save someone else from being scammed. Skype usernames are also useful, as a lot of deals are done via Skype.
     
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  8. xtorrez

    xtorrez Newbie

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    It is a good idea. It will help others in the future.
     
  9. bz

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    Thread moved as it's not a proper shitlist thread.

    You don't shitlist if someone provides poor service. What you do is post a real review in their BST thread, and/or request a refund if they haven't delivered what they promised. Legitimate negative reviews are part of doing business, and are considered valid feedback. If you request a refund, while having legitimate cause to do so, and the provider stiffs you; it's shitlist time. The shitlist is the last step. It's where you go when you're at an impasse after exhausting all reasonable attempts to resolve the situation.
     
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  10. The SEO

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