Shitty writing services on here

assaultclass

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Is it just me or do the article writing services on here never stick to their TAT. They promise a certain TAT, but after you order, it's a whole different story. They leave their sales threads open and take more orders than they can handle, and when you contact them about the status of your order it's either they ignore your message or give excuses. I'm definitely done with BHW writing services.

I created a new niche site and wrote some articles myself. I got burned out and decided to outsource the work. My goal was to post fresh content on the site consistently to hopefully gain some Google love, but that plan has been ruined thanks to these shitty writing services in the marketplace.
 
Sounds like you should be opening a Shit List against a specific seller with specific details and evidence, rather than making a blanket statement that can unjustly harm some perfectly good sellers who are punctual with their TAT and consistent in quality, and nothing like the limited experience you have had with a seller, or maybe 2 or 3 tops..... out of 50+
 
I mean, that depends on what we're talking about here. How many days did they miss the TAT by?

Unless you have 5+ full-time writers, it can be difficult to keep up with the number of orders that come through on BHW on a daily basis.

On a side note: pretty sure this belongs in the lounge or in another sub-forum. Buying articles is more white hat than anything else.
 
Is it just me or do the article writing services on here never stick to their TAT. They promise a certain TAT, but after you order, it's a whole different story. They leave their sales threads open and take more orders than they can handle, and when you contact them about the status of your order it's either they ignore your message or give excuses. I'm definitely done with BHW writing services.

I created a new niche site and wrote some articles myself. I got burned out and decided to outsource the work. My goal was to post fresh content on the site consistently to hopefully gain some Google love, but that plan has been ruined thanks to these shitty writing services in the marketplace.

Damn about the same. Burned out like hell and have been trying to outsource but after reading what u said it's pretty discouraging haha.
 
Is it just me or do the article writing services on here never stick to their TAT. They promise a certain TAT, but after you order, it's a whole different story. They leave their sales threads open and take more orders than they can handle, and when you contact them about the status of your order it's either they ignore your message or give excuses. I'm definitely done with BHW writing services.

I created a new niche site and wrote some articles myself. I got burned out and decided to outsource the work. My goal was to post fresh content on the site consistently to hopefully gain some Google love, but that plan has been ruined thanks to these shitty writing services in the marketplace.


Step 1) If they are not meeting their TAT ask for a refund or delivery and a discount.

Step 2 ) If they don't resolve Step 1, then you report the sales thread and open a Shitlist.

Step 3 ) If they still haven't resolved Step 1, the Shitlist will be made live and if there are other unhappy buyers coming forward, we'll close the BSTs.
 
Sounds like you should be opening a Shit List against a specific seller with specific details and evidence, rather than making a blanket statement that can unjustly harm some perfectly good sellers who are punctual with their TAT and consistent in quality, and nothing like the limited experience you have had with a seller, or maybe 2 or 3 tops..... out of 50+

I'm referring to the cheaper services that get lots of orders. How do you know I have limited experience???

Damn about the same. Burned out like hell and have been trying to outsource but after reading what u said it's pretty discouraging haha.
You can go ahead and order, but be sure to stick to the services priced at $20 for 1,000 words or above. Anything cheaper and you'll be waiting a long time before you receive your articles.
 
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You can go ahead and order, but be sure to stick to the services priced at $20 for 1,000 words or above. Anything cheaper and you'll be waiting a long time before you receive your articles.
Because they are saturated. ;)..
 
LOL ... that's just how it is almost everywhere. Not just BHW.

80% will be garbage, 20% will be acceptable or top quality.
 
Step 1) If they are not meeting their TAT ask for a refund or delivery and a discount.

Step 2 ) If they don't resolve Step 1, then you report the sales thread and open a Shitlist.

Step 3 ) If they still haven't resolved Step 1, the Shitlist will be made live and if there are other unhappy buyers coming forward, we'll close the BSTs.
This.


Sorry you've had some rough patches, but there are some good sellers here who meet all quotas mentioned in their sales threads. But as was outlined above, there are steps you can take to ensure proper fires are lit under the hind sides of slackers and/or those looking to game the community.
 
I actually haven't had much of a problem with TAT's here on the forum.
Service quality has wildly varied though. lol

Same applies. As @Zwielicht states on his BST reviews;

For buyers: The quality of the product or service that I receive is what you should expect, or better. If you feel that the quality of the service has dropped significantly, please let us know via the report button.
 
AS A CONTENT WRITER

I have been guilty of missing TATs. A lot. And that's with only a few clients at a time as a solo act. I've been circumventing this being an issue by 1) keeping my clients informed when this occurs, and 2) not promising strict turnarounds. With my day job having ebbs and flows of demands, and the chaos of life peeping in from time to time, it's difficult to properly estimate when jobs will be done. It's gotten to the point where if I find myself more than 10,000 words in a backlog, I will not accept any new orders.

Missing turnaround times is a factor of life in a service-side offering such as content writing. It's far more manual than link building and other SEO processes, where there is a predetermined structure for how things are done. However making up excuses or disappearing off the map is just bad customer service and should not be tolerated. I've been guilty of that as well (missing communications), and always try to rectify when that occurs.

Changing up my content development strategy played a major role in eradicating the issues of both missing turnaround times and missing potential contact by in-progress customers. But again, I'm a one-man operation. It's completely different when a content writing "service" is reliant on outsourcing the writing to others.

AS A CONTENT BUYER

I've noticed this becoming more and more prevalent as well. Two years ago, when I started buying up content for projects of my own, I'd say it was about 25% of the time that turnaround times were missed by content writers. Nowadays that has gone to 80% or more. It's a give and take. Almost every time you pay in full upfront, so the motivation to "work for payment" isn't there. However, ever single negative experience I have had has been with people who were looking to pay after the fact. As such, I don't offer that at all. And I don't expect that of my content purchases, either. But the lack of communication has become frustrating.

My initial resolution was to hire local writers. It has worked out well for the most part, and I've settled on two that provide great work for my own projects. I don't outsource client work to them, though, as if I did I would be line-by-line rewriting the content to meet my own standards, and that isn't worth paying to do.

This TAT issue isn't relegated to one price point, either. I've had massive TAT misses for sub-$1-per-100 services and almost $10-per-100 services, as well as the more common $2- to $3-per-100 services that are cropping up more and more as a mid-range BHW option. I've dealt with people disappearing for weeks and then providing substandard services as well.

A banned and GDPR'ed member did a wonderful job showing transparency of content providers with this thread: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/want-to-buy-content-from-bhw-read-this-first.926029/. However, that is two and a half years old. The make-up of content providers on BHW has changed drastically. Heck, in the time since that thread went live, I've started a content writing service, shut my thread down due to an abundance of orders, and have proceeded to still get regular orders over the following 18+ months.

It's difficult to get that level of transparency without spending a ridiculous amount of money, though.

...

Here are my golden rules for content writing services here on BHW as a buyer:
  • If you are given a TAT, add 50% to that for a more accurate representation of when the content will (likely) arrive.
  • Provide as much information as possible regarding expected word counts, keywords and outlines. However don't provide so much information that it constrains the writing process.
  • Follow this rubric I wrote over three years ago that still applies today: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/quality-quantity-speed-pick-two-the-im-triangle.842710/
  • Ensure that communication flow is consistent between both parties.
  • Don't ask for major revisions, ever. If you see minor things that need to be changed, do it yourself or prepare to wait. No content writer factors in revisions.
  • Don't ask for samples. Samples are useless as they are the billboard for a writing service. The quality of your finished product will be well under that of a sample provided.
  • Take the time to sift through "sample plz" "review copy" "pm sent" and other messages on content threads to find actual reviews from Jr. VIP and above.
  • Pay $1 per 100 or lower for filler content that is keyword optimized. Then pay for $3 per 100 if you can edit and expand on your own, $6 per 100 or higher if you can't for money site quality.
Follow this and you should be fine. If you've got questions about content providers on here, feel free to PM me and I'll do what I can to answer. I've used or received review copies from most of them. I've never had a conflict of interest issue as a content provider myself, either.
 
TAT is not important quality is, if I have to wait 2 - 3 weeks for good copy if the TAT says 7 days then I'm more than happy to. The better the copy the busier the writers, the longer the TAT.
I have been through 7 writers on here and settled with one. TAT's slow but consistent and great quality.
 
I'm referring to the cheaper services that get lots of orders. How do you know I have limited experience???


You can go ahead and order, but be sure to stick to the services priced at $20 for 1,000 words or above. Anything cheaper and you'll be waiting a long time before you receive your articles.

@assaultclass I did not say you had "limited experience" in general, I was referring to you having (relatively) limited experience on this forum with these marketplace sellers in general - which is easy to deduce (not only because you posted this thread in a very strange section choice for the topic) - but because you've been a member for all of 9 - 9 1/2 months, (so you're a newbie) and looking at your trading profile (located in your profile) you haven't received any ratings (buyers and sellers can potentially be rated there) - and although it's not impossible to buy a TON of services from enough of a cross-section of the marketplace sellers to be able to make a reasonable assessment of the overall quality of the marketplace sellers in general - all without having a single one of them review you as a buyer - it strikes me as extremely unlikely.

My only point to you, and I believe the Mods already made it quite clear as well - it's not just poor form in and not well-tolerated - as a general rule of thumb in business and ESPECIALLY in this forum - to, for lack of a better term, "Troll" the Marketplace Copywriters with some bitter tirade such as:

Is it just me or do the article writing services on here never stick to their TAT. They promise a certain TAT, but after you order, it's a whole different story. They leave their sales threads open and take more orders than they can handle, and when you contact them about the status of your order it's either they ignore your message or give excuses. I'm definitely done with BHW writing services.

I created a new niche site and wrote some articles myself. I got burned out and decided to outsource the work. My goal was to post fresh content on the site consistently to hopefully gain some Google love, but that plan has been ruined thanks to these shitty writing services in the marketplace.

based on an experience you had with one or two (I'd be surprised if it were even two) of the MANY service providers in the marketplace - is frankly unacceptable.... I've actually seen people get banned for less...

If you have a problem with an individual seller or service, take it up that seller and handle it accordingly, there is even a remedy for you if the seller is uncooperative that could prove a valuable resource to you (i.e. The Shit List and The Mods) - MUCH more effective way to actually SOLVING your problems - and it doesn't involve slandering and potentially affecting the sales revenues (income) of several people who are in no way involved in the individual dealing you had with that ONE PARTICULAR seller..

It's no more helpful than those idiots who want to run to the forums screaming "scam scam scam" because their deposit from their ad network was a day late due to a bank holiday... just senseless
 
@assaultclass I did not say you had "limited experience" in general, I was referring to you having (relatively) limited experience on this forum with these marketplace sellers in general - which is easy to deduce (not only because you posted this thread in a very strange section choice for the topic) - but because you've been a member for all of 9 - 9 1/2 months, (so you're a newbie) and looking at your trading profile (located in your profile) you haven't received any ratings (buyers and sellers can potentially be rated there) - and although it's not impossible to buy a TON of services from enough of a cross-section of the marketplace sellers to be able to make a reasonable assessment of the overall quality of the marketplace sellers in general - all without having a single one of them review you as a buyer - it strikes me as extremely unlikely.

My only point to you, and I believe the Mods already made it quite clear as well - it's not just poor form in and not well-tolerated - as a general rule of thumb in business and ESPECIALLY in this forum - to, for lack of a better term, "Troll" the Marketplace Copywriters with some bitter tirade such as:



based on an experience you had with one or two (I'd be surprised if it were even two) of the MANY service providers in the marketplace - is frankly unacceptable.... I've actually seen people get banned for less...

If you have a problem with an individual seller or service, take it up that seller and handle it accordingly, there is even a remedy for you if the seller is uncooperative that could prove a valuable resource to you (i.e. The Shit List and The Mods) - MUCH more effective way to actually SOLVING your problems - and it doesn't involve slandering and potentially affecting the sales revenues (income) of several people who are in no way involved in the individual dealing you had with that ONE PARTICULAR seller..

It's no more helpful than those idiots who want to run to the forums screaming "scam scam scam" because their deposit from their ad network was a day late due to a bank holiday... just senseless
Why defend them so much? What's in it for you? And have you had a look at those sales threads and found that many other members are having similar issues? The experience of other members is enough to create this thread. I don't even have to try out the service.
 
Because as a freelancer who sells his services else where (Im not a marketplace seller yet) I know how hard it is, and how much that sort of squawking can unfairly effect their earning potential.. that and as a long standing member, I like to do my part to keep the content of this forum at a certain quality standard - it should actually help people..
 
not just TAT but quality too. More often that not you'll find you need to rewrite some of these articles to avoid drops in rankings
 
Why defend them so much? What's in it for you? And have you had a look at those sales threads and found that many other members are having similar issues? The experience of other members is enough to create this thread. I don't even have to try out the service.

Now that I think of it. I once signed up for a free review copy that was supposed to be done by "experts" (I need to keep the exact term used by the seller vague so as not to out the seller). I provided the keyword and in came the review copy. When I first read it, I thought, this looks pretty familiar, where have I read this before. A quick google search revealed that it was plagiarized. I was told that this was because of the quotations used in the article. However, even without the quotes, there was still significant plagiarism. I followed up with the seller but never got a satisfactory reply. Basically, got ignored after I confronted the seller with my evidence. It was a few free review copy so I wasn't pissed just annoyed I wasted time evaluating a clearly plagiarised document.

If I had to PAY and then WAIT beyond the TAT for shit like that. I am sure I would be effing pissed.

What really surprised me was that the seller's thread had MANY good reviews. Really makes me wonder how that actually came about...
 
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TAT is not important quality is, if I have to wait 2 - 3 weeks for good copy if the TAT says 7 days then I'm more than happy to. The better the copy the busier the writers, the longer the TAT.
I have been through 7 writers on here and settled with one. TAT's slow but consistent and great quality.
Im agree with you. Do you mind to PM me where you buy article service here?
 
Now that I think of it. I once signed up for a free review copy that was supposed to be done by "experts" (I need to keep the exact term used by the seller vague so as not to out the seller). I provided the keyword and in came the review copy. When I first read it, I thought, this looks pretty familiar, where have I read this before. A quick google search revealed that it was plagiarized. I was told that this was because of the quotations used in the article. However, even without the quotes, there was still significant plagiarism. I followed up with the seller but never got a satisfactory reply. Basically, got ignored after I confronted the seller with my evidence. It was a few free review copy so I wasn't pissed just annoyed I wasted time evaluating a clearly plagiarised document.

If I had to PAY and then WAIT beyond the TAT for shit like that. I am sure I would be effing pissed.

What really surprised me was that the seller's thread had MANY good reviews. Really makes me wonder how that actually came about...

Makes you think how the good reviews appear on the sales thread.
 
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