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cesarian

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Hi,

I am not the kind of person who like to open a shitlist and prefer to wait a long time to resolve but it's been months and I am still waiting for my refunds and ExtraWinner has not replied to my messages in the last 4 weeks and I haven't seen him online anymore in Skype.

I bought a few things from ExtraWinner, 4 wikipedia links and 1 Egobait, both threads are closed by BZ as a lot of people has the same problems as me. Either ExtraWinner didnt deliver or wikipedia links are deleted. I am not sure why there is no shitlist yet so here I am with a shitlist.

Wikipedia links: ExtraWinner had refunded 1 order of the wikipedia link and I am waiting for the other 3.
Egobait: ExtraWinner had done some work in the begin then he promised me updates the nothing. I only got a mail with choices and an infographic which I don't know what he has done with it. I told him if I did't get any updates more than I would ask a refund which I did ask without any response from him.

I have contacted bz for advice a few days ago but maybe he is busy or not available as I haven't received any reply yet.

Threads:
http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...uthority-protection-juice-100-guaranteed.html
http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...e-optimization-limited-15-customers-only.html

ExtraWinner profile:
http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/120153-extrawinner.html

Chatlog:
[4-7-2013 0:06:20] B*** ExtraWinner: Hi Mate, how are you?
[4-7-2013 8:33:38] cesarian: hi
[4-7-2013 8:33:44] cesarian: u there?
[4-7-2013 8:42:35] B*** ExtraWinner: Hi, I am now
[4-7-2013 8:42:38] B*** ExtraWinner: How are you?
[4-7-2013 8:42:45] cesarian: I am fine, u?
[4-7-2013 8:43:53] B*** ExtraWinner: yeah, tired but good :)
[4-7-2013 8:44:34] cesarian: can you give me update on my wikipedia orders?
[4-7-2013 8:45:05] B*** ExtraWinner: ah yeah, the orders. I was waiting for you to discuss about them.
[4-7-2013 8:46:09] B*** ExtraWinner: There is small issue - your urls after our recent crackdown are on watch list - it means whenever we post a link - admin get notified so he will check the page and remove the link.
So I was wondering if you have other websites we could submit them to.
[4-7-2013 8:47:21] cesarian: I have only 1 site now that I want the link on wikipedia, and it's also a dutch site, I don't have other websites at the moment
[4-7-2013 8:47:46] B*** ExtraWinner: ok, can you link me?
[4-7-2013 8:47:47] B*** ExtraWinner: I will check it
[4-7-2013 8:48:10] cesarian: ****REMOVED****
[4-7-2013 8:48:20] cesarian: if possible I would like to use the keyword ****REMOVED****
[4-7-2013 8:48:44] B*** ExtraWinner: you didnt gave us this link before?
[4-7-2013 8:49:46] cesarian: no
[4-7-2013 8:49:49] cesarian: its new
[4-7-2013 8:50:14] cesarian: I mean not a new site, but new in my seo portfolio
[4-7-2013 8:50:18] B*** ExtraWinner: yeah, I didnt seen it before. OK, I can build links later tpday no problem.
[4-7-2013 8:50:30] B*** ExtraWinner: We will start from here and move onwards
[4-7-2013 8:51:10] B*** ExtraWinner: btw - sorry for issues with communication - I went to the village to visit my family and we got cut off the web :/ I had to use mobile phone as router to check email O.o
[4-7-2013 8:51:57] cesarian: np, ok, this is for one site, how about the other 3?
[4-7-2013 8:52:06] cesarian: I don't have any websites anymore
[4-7-2013 8:52:14] B*** ExtraWinner: BTW - the onsite have to be changed on this site... It can get penalty.
[4-7-2013 8:52:30] B*** ExtraWinner: Yeah, we will start with this and I will check other 3 today to.
[4-7-2013 8:52:54] cesarian: and what do you mean by penalty?
[4-7-2013 8:54:34] B*** ExtraWinner: Its just that onsite is extremaly bad - you might get penalized for it - drop or lose rankings.
[4-7-2013 8:55:07] cesarian: you mean the over use of keywords, bold, etc?
[4-7-2013 8:55:33] B*** ExtraWinner: Especially bottom area of website - to many links and citation spamming.
[4-7-2013 8:55:48] cesarian: I know about that
[4-7-2013 8:55:59] cesarian: already told the owner to remove them
[4-7-2013 8:56:05] B*** ExtraWinner: cool
[4-7-2013 9:00:32] cesarian: what do you mean with "check other 3 today", I though all my urls are on watchlist as you said?
[4-7-2013 9:02:26] B*** ExtraWinner: yeah, I will check if by any chance one of them got removed
[4-7-2013 9:02:30] B*** ExtraWinner: you never know
[4-7-2013 9:02:38] cesarian: ok
[4-7-2013 10:07:20] B*** ExtraWinner: Just small update - I will be posting your link in few hours - with it I will send you EgoBait update and plan to. I will grab some quick nap now and once up I will work on this for you.
[5-7-2013 8:02:31] cesarian: hi
[5-7-2013 8:03:01] cesarian: any updates on the wikipedia links and the egobait plan??
[5-7-2013 9:24:18] B*** ExtraWinner: Hi, sendign egobait in few minutes, I will check on link with my VA
[5-7-2013 10:52:43] B*** ExtraWinner: Hi Cesar, email sent
[5-7-2013 10:55:59] cesarian: hi thanks
[5-7-2013 10:56:02] cesarian: I just read it
[5-7-2013 10:56:44] cesarian: the options, I'll go with option 1
[5-7-2013 11:08:30] B*** ExtraWinner: Ah kk, can you reply to email though? I have so much on my head with Wiki re-posting I dont want to forget it about you.
[5-7-2013 11:09:55] B*** ExtraWinner: ok, gtg - I will talk to you later today, just need to catch quick nap.
[8-7-2013 10:49:25] cesarian: hi u there?
[8-7-2013 10:49:34] cesarian: please let me know when you are online
[9-7-2013 8:48:46] B*** ExtraWinner: Hi, I am online, how are you?
[9-7-2013 8:48:56] cesarian: hi
[9-7-2013 8:49:11] cesarian: any update on the wikipedia orders?
[9-7-2013 8:51:30] B*** ExtraWinner: yeah, actually today we had breakthrough - it seems we cracked recent spam filters and now we can add as many links as we want fairly easy. So I will be working on yours today/
[9-7-2013 8:51:44] cesarian: ok nice
[9-7-2013 8:52:03] cesarian: when do you think you will be able to finish them?
[9-7-2013 8:52:28] B*** ExtraWinner: I will try to finish it today. I have 3-4 hours window of free time - so I will work on it then.
[9-7-2013 8:53:10] cesarian: great thanks
[9-7-2013 8:54:06] B*** ExtraWinner: I plan today/tomorrow update about your order of egobait to.
[9-7-2013 8:54:20] cesarian: ok np
[9-7-2013 8:54:30] cesarian: I'll be online most of days
[9-7-2013 8:54:40] cesarian: so if you have updates, just drop me a message
[9-7-2013 8:55:16] B*** ExtraWinner: Sure, I will :)
[10-7-2013 8:42:38] cesarian: hi
[10-7-2013 8:42:46] cesarian: please let me know when you are here
[11-7-2013 10:25:06] cesarian: hi
[11-7-2013 10:25:10] cesarian: u there?
[11-7-2013 10:26:19] cesarian: u there?
[11-7-2013 13:33:27] cesarian: u there?
[11-7-2013 14:11:46] cesarian: hi
[11-7-2013 14:11:49] cesarian: u there?
[24-7-2013 10:38:57] cesarian: hi
[24-7-2013 10:39:00] cesarian: u there?
[24-7-2013 11:45:58] cesarian: u there?
[25-7-2013 23:42:51] cesarian: hi
[25-7-2013 23:42:54] cesarian: u there?
[25-7-2013 23:44:11] cesarian: B***?
[25-7-2013 23:52:38] B*** ExtraWinner: Hi Cesarian, I am. I managed to log in to Skype :)
[29-7-2013 8:52:33] cesarian: hi
[29-7-2013 8:52:37] cesarian: u there?
[29-7-2013 8:53:15] B*** ExtraWinner: Hi Man, yeah, I am in :)
[29-7-2013 8:53:45] cesarian: how are you?
[29-7-2013 8:56:00] B*** ExtraWinner: I am good, just got back from bachelor evening, how are you?
[29-7-2013 8:56:36] cesarian: I am fine, a bit busy
[29-7-2013 8:58:41] B*** ExtraWinner: ah cool, I am sending report to you today, just finishing up
[29-7-2013 9:00:43] cesarian: ok, great, how about the refund for the wikipedia links?
[29-7-2013 9:02:40] B*** ExtraWinner: ah, I think I never got transaction ID, have you sent it?
[29-7-2013 9:09:03] cesarian: let me see
[29-7-2013 9:09:40] cesarian: it's actually 4 orders:
****REMOVED****
****REMOVED****
****REMOVED****
****REMOVED****
[29-7-2013 9:17:06] B*** ExtraWinner: OK, I will have a look at those then :)
[29-7-2013 9:18:21] cesarian: ok waiting for refund as it;s been 1.5 month since links are deleted
[29-7-2013 9:24:24] B*** ExtraWinner: sure
[30-7-2013 10:10:53] cesarian: hey B***, u there?
[30-7-2013 12:44:15] B*** ExtraWinner: Hi there, just logged in. How are you?
[30-7-2013 13:27:06] cesarian: hi
[30-7-2013 13:27:08] cesarian: I am fine
[30-7-2013 13:27:11] cesarian: you?
[30-7-2013 15:18:07] cesarian: u there B***?
[31-7-2013 10:37:45] cesarian: hi B***
[31-7-2013 10:37:47] cesarian: u there?
[31-7-2013 15:00:20] B*** ExtraWinner: Hi man, I am in now. It seems we missed each other yesterday ;)
[31-7-2013 15:02:14] cesarian: hi
[31-7-2013 15:02:18] cesarian: yeah
[31-7-2013 15:04:48] B*** ExtraWinner: Hi man, how are you?
[31-7-2013 15:05:41] cesarian: I am fine, how about you?
[31-7-2013 15:06:09] B*** ExtraWinner: Yeah, not bad Mate, working as usual
[31-7-2013 15:31:58] cesarian: have you received my mail?
[31-7-2013 16:20:53] B*** ExtraWinner: Hi man, checking it now
[1-8-2013 14:10:05] cesarian: hi
[1-8-2013 14:10:09] cesarian: u there?
[2-8-2013 10:58:01] cesarian: hi
[2-8-2013 10:58:05] cesarian: u there
[2-8-2013 10:58:07] cesarian: ?
[5-8-2013 0:03:49] cesarian: hi u there?
[5-8-2013 0:06:55] B*** ExtraWinner: Hi, I am
[5-8-2013 0:17:25] B*** ExtraWinner: You are there?
[5-8-2013 10:56:59] cesarian: hi
[5-8-2013 10:57:13] B*** ExtraWinner: Hi there
[5-8-2013 10:57:57] cesarian: thansk for the first refund
[5-8-2013 10:59:54] B*** ExtraWinner: OK, once i get some funds rest will follow

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SL approved.

ExtraWinner hasn't logged in since Aug 8th - We will see if he logs back in to respond. He has been notified and has 48 hours...

OS
 
SL approved.

ExtraWinner hasn't logged in since Aug 8th - We will see if he logs back in to respond. He has been notified and has 48 hours...

OS
Before we get the usual 9 daggers let's just see how this rolls.
Just because someone is MIA doesn't make them a shit.
I've been MIA for 13 months with $**k of other peoples money and no shit list.
 
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Before we get the usual 9 daggers let's just see how this rolls.
Just because someone is MIA doesn't make them a shit.
I've been MIA for 13 months with $30k of other peoples money and no shit list.

You are NOT a moderator, so please do not undermine another moderator's
actions or efforts in this section.

Thank You - "Wiz"
 
Oxonbeef,

Your comments may very well be true if we're talking about you - but before you post that in a thread about someone else, perhaps you should read the BSTs that are linked above.

If he comes back and takes care of biz, that would be great - I'd be happy to see it happen.
OS
 
You are NOT a moderator, so please do not undermine another moderator's
actions or efforts in this section.

Thank You - "Wiz"

Oxonbeef,

Your comments may very well be true if we're talking about you - but before you post that in a thread about someone else, perhaps you should read the BSTs that are linked above.

If he comes back and takes care of biz, that would be great - I'd be happy to see it happen.
OS
Sorry about that.
The intention was to buffer the onslaught of uninformed accusations.
 
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As a reminder to those that might want to post:

4. If you are not directly related to the situation, or are not offering information directly related to the situation: do not post in the thread.
 
Before we get the usual 9 daggers let's just see how this rolls.
Just because someone is MIA doesn't make them a shit.
I've been MIA for 13 months with $30k of other peoples money and no shit list.

It's not just about MIA, my wikipedia links was deleted about 3 months ago (http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...ction-juice-100-guaranteed-6.html#post5677348)

After that I constantly asked him what he is going to with it and then I asked for refund (as he has refund guarantee if links were deleted) and he also offered to replace a link (as you can see in chat) but he never deliver it either. He finally refunded 1 order but until know I waited more than 2 months for refunds of the wikipedia link. Also for Egobait, he promised so many updates but I only see really little update and I tell him than if does not give me update within a reasonable time frame I will also ask a refund but then he didnt even reply to that mail.

I don't know how it's normally works for you but for me, I have waited enough for updates or refunds.
 
SL approved.

ExtraWinner hasn't logged in since Aug 8th - We will see if he logs back in to respond. He has been notified and has 48 hours...

OS

Thanks for approving, I also have mailed his domain contact mail (from whois) to notify him about the shitlist. I am curious whether he will read his mails and will solve this.
 
I also had a problem with ExtraWinners wikipedia service. The link only lasted 4 days (because it was a naked homepage url and on the wrong wiki page), after repeatedly asking for a replacement link or refund for several weeks I stopped getting messages back.
 
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ExtraWinner has had sufficient time to respond and has not. In addition, as far as he knew, he had active BSTs that he completely abandoned.

ExtraWinner has been permabanned.

OS
PS. In the chance that something reasonable has happened to cause his absense, I am leaving my contact info in his ban notice.
 
I am still awaiting my refund for my deleted wikipedia link I bought from his BST. Never got a refund or a replacement link.
 
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