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Shit silly noob question - Why do I need proxies ?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by simplyjo, Aug 17, 2010.

  1. simplyjo

    simplyjo Power Member

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    Fellas, I was wondering.. if I can change my IP with a reconnect of the modem.. why in the world do I need proxies ? Need your help in figuring it out.. I am sure it's a silly question but just wanted to know :)
     
  2. LyNHS

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    I'm not one that enjoys or is part of the "flaming" culture that seems to be quite popular here, but ... I do agree with you, it is a silly question lol! :)

    Certain software use multithreading technology, such as ScrapeBox, which using several different connections at the same time - which means, for example, it's like using Google to perform 10 Searches every second.

    Google will know you're performing 10 searches per second because they're all coming from the same IP Address - so to make it look like they're individual normal searches, you use a list of proxies.

    The above is just an example. But the basic principle of a proxy is to hide your identity online when wanting to do multiple tasks. Plus, resetting your router, although changes your IP Address, still results in the same IP Series... so it isn't as effective.

    Hope that helps! :)
     
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  3. simplyjo

    simplyjo Power Member

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    that helps.. thx bunches :)

     
  4. CoyoteAssassin

    CoyoteAssassin Elite Member

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    The answer is depends. It depends on what you are doing. If you are posting CL ads or creating new accounts, it may not be required to have proxies for doing this a few times.

    However, if you are sending mailings or using scrapbox or any other activity that could ruin your reputation with your internet provider, you need to not only use another IP, but you need to rotate IP's.

    Simply put, a website that receives 100 messages from one person (one IP) thinks of it as spam. But 100 different messages from 100 people (100 IP's) see it as different post. THus, increasing your changes of being posted.

    I hope that sheds some light on your question.

    Thanks.
     
  5. sickofwhitehat

    sickofwhitehat Newbie

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    LyNHS has pretty much summed it up.
    A proxy by loose definition is anything that represents you or your interests.

    You can have a proxy represent you at a meeting (great example in the film "Along Came Polly").

    In IT terms, a proxy server represents you on the internet but shields your identity (hence the commonly used term "anonymous proxy").

    They were first used within business networks connecting to the internet.

    When it comes to grey/blackhat techniques a proxy is absolutely essential.

    As LyNHS states, if you run any internet-connected program that is used for data gathering/scraping/mining, it will normally run as a "multi-thread" process.

    In everyday terms, a "thread" is one sequence of commands or tasks that your computer is running. "multi-threading" is where multiple commands or tasks are being run by your PC.

    So if you're firing more than one set of requests/tasks/searches at Google using your IP, you're likely to get blocked or banned from using their services.

    A proxy or several proxies solves this problem as Google knows that the IP addresses of the proxies are there to represent multiple searches from multiple users at a faster rate than normal.

    Hope that helps clear things up and everything makes sense now!

    Paul.
     
  6. gregstereo

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    Yes, there have been a # of times people have posted changing your IP by resetting your modem as a "method" of avoiding the need for proxies, but that's not really anything new or that cool...remember that a lot of ISP's have a small pool of IP's for your use, and when you do this reset, on reset A you get IP #1, reset B, you get IP #2, reset C, you get IP #3, but then on the next reset you're back to either #1, #2, or #3 (just a hypothetical example).

    Plus all the IP's you're getting are very likely in the same C-class (if not even more narrow), so the "method" isn't valuable at all if you're really trying to stay somewhat anonymous or engage in mass levels of activity.

    And yeah it is kind of a noob question, but it's helpful you self-identified in the subject line. There are some great stickied threads in the Proxies subforum by apekillape about proxies, and of course plenty of other info on the interwebs about them. Biggest free tip from your pal gregs. - remember that some proxies leak your IP or tip off a site that you're using a proxy, and some don't.