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Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by NickNam3, Jan 15, 2019.

  1. NickNam3

    NickNam3 BANNED BANNED

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    I find another panel with higher price on the market ( higher price - high quality - it s was wrong )
    I buy 150.000 views i pay i belive 300 usd.
    I make orders for 4 links multiple orders
    In one orders after she was COMPLETED i create a youtube campaign i spend a few bucks there i get 300 subs and 10-12.000 views.
    After a few days on all my links they start to drop i contact the panel. THEY SAY I BRAKE the rules because i buy from another service - youtube - and they drop... ( youtube sell fake views and they drop? excuse me but i can`t belive that ..... )
    In all my order 4 link with multiple orders from the same source.
    They acuse me i buy from another source because are more cheap ( how to buy from cheap source if i pay you a higher price? im stupid or what ? )
    They delay all orders - they set completed all my orders but they are noticket
    ( Please check statistics from their panel and youtube links. )
    This was the last time when i will buy service from smmpanels.
    Printscreen: Balance - tickets - orders - statistics.
    Im not the only stupid on the planet - i check last night they thread and was enough user who blaim their service... are not normal and im sick to get it scamed by smmpanel.
     

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    They suspended the account now.
     

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  3. MisterF

    MisterF Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Shitlist Request Approved

    @overtrade has been notified he has 48 hours to respond to this post.

    PS. Reminder to all who have current issues, keep it PROFESSIONAL. No name calling or other insults.

    Reminder to everyone else:

    Shit list rule #4:
    If you are not directly related to the situation, or are not offering information directly related to the situation: do not post in the thread
     
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  4. overtrade

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    Dear BlackHatWorld!

    For a long time, we tried to resolve this situation and made concessions to the customer, since we really care and appreciate each of our clients! We are really sorry that this customer not ready to engage in dialogue and normal communication.

    Regarding your problem, let's sort everything in order:

    1) Main problem

    First of all, to explain exactly which rule you violated, please read the next information. In our rules for 3 years already we have next rule:
    • If you place order in our panel you can't place order for the same link somewhere else. In such case there is no refundback or guarantee from our side.
    Proof:
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    This is very important since we cannot be responsible for the views ordered elsewhere. We fully comply with our obligations under the views ordered on our service.
    And at the moment it's not about Google - we'll talk about it later.


    2) Videos which you reported problems
    Let's see order by order. We've prepared screenshots to show exactly where is a problem.
    We have 2 problem links:
    - youtube.com/watch?v=7BuTbUE-8jk
    - youtube.com/watch?v=tZyASzmp0xE

    7BuTbUE-8jk. Ordered total from our side 53k views. Link has now 66k views.
    Full screenshot with all explanations:
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    Next problem order: tZyASzmp0xE . Total order is 29k. Now link has 52k
    Full screenshot with all explanations:
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    These are all problem orders which you had. We refilled everything even when there was extra traffic which is not connected to our service at all (But you should understand that we refilled orders now, but there are over 30.000 views came from the unknown resource. There is a possibility for views to drop more and we can't take responsibility for this one more time). And as far as we can judge by our dialogue in tickets and PM - you have no other problems.

    3) What our support team did to help the customer

    This is the most interesting and funny fact here. We said at the very beginning - that we will help you with all problems fully for free even when you obviously violated one of our rules we decided to refill your views as a bonus from our service.

    Proof
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    4) Your YouTube campaign

    And now we will explain - why we are sure that you place an order somewhere else and this doesn't relate to promotion in Google. Here is just an example of how we asked you to provide proof of your advertising campaign, which is very simple to do. Each time you refused without giving a reason.

    [​IMG]



    5) Delay

    Your orders were completed in time which were specified in the description. All information about a possible delay in delivery can be found in the description. We never hide it. It's on the main page:
    [​IMG]

    6) Disputes

    You had a problem for around 5$ because the total amount of views dropped was 4-5k. But you have opened a dispute for over 300$. It's not normal. Also, you have promised to us and moderators in the group that you will cancel all disputes as soon as shitlist go alive. But after you said you never gonna do it.
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    But now you say:
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    PS. Information for moderators

    We can prove that this customer was already blocked on Blackhatworld.

    We're not sure 100%. But sure 99% that it's him.

    Messages:
    https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/t...outube-instagram.882422/page-67#post-10857495
    https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/t...outube-instagram.882422/page-73#post-10943631

    Proofs:
    His nickname on our panel now:
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    Another account nickname on another panel:
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    He wrote old account username:
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    The email from the old account is the same email for a new account:
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    And he did before all same as he does now:
    [​IMG]
     
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  5. NickNam3

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    I will answer straight up.
    1: i order even in 9 days my orders wasn`t ompleted ( today you ask again wich links its not completed )
    2: Today i show in pm message with 2 moderatos they dropped again
    3: now its 3-4-5K ? 3 days ago was 10.000 - yesterday was 30.000 - in finaly how many are? ( are so funy )
    4: A littel bit earlier you try to blackmail me ( moderators see that )
    If a customers preferes to pay the higher price on the market for service why should buy it cheaper? doesn`t have sense.
    You ask proofs proofs proofs i make a lot of proofs ,printscreen and links from youtube to you ( now youtube lie? )
    Its time you to offer some proofs. Yesterday you said its refilled today dropped , who you think you are to lie us in the face?
    Why do you belive this SL was open? because i lie? because i try to steal ?
    NO - you dont complete the job after 9 days ( in a few h will be 10 days ).
    Email adress are like gmail or yahoo - i dont care - i dont have another account here - i never scam somebody - and i buy a lot of products from here , if you need it i offer the list.
    Today when you was catch up with lie on refill and number of views - you bark why i make a dispute on paypal , i told you because im a nice guy i let you to have 100usd and i cancel that dispute.
    Consider 200usd dispute its my 9 days - waist my time - our customer time and your punishment because you lie with statistics in your face.
    I dont have time to make pictures like you. but if you wanna repet myself i make a printscreen to all PM conversation - on tickets i can`t because you banned the account.
    Dont forget you mark a lot of orders completed wich was not - right? You mark a 2 tickets with solved but you dont answer on them.
    After you said i buy it from another source for ONE LINK next day was TWO LINKS - i said ok your are ***** and dont have a clue what you speak about. But in my printscreen and converation in pm/tickets i have problem with ALL the links ... what happen dude? the rest of links just vanish doesn`t have explication for that ?
    I will tell you wich are the real truth.
    YOU ARE A RESELLER ( IM RIGHT IF YOU NEED IT I WILL POST YOUR PROVIDER ) I BUY IT FROM YOU - YOU DELIVERED PARTIAL IN SOME CASES IN ANOTHER COMPLETED AFTER 24H THEY DROP, YOU CONTACT YOUR PROVIDER ALL OFF SMMPANELS HAVE PROBLEMS WITH YOUTUBE VIEWS ( BECAUSE ARE FAKE ) - and you try to stole a little bit of time to fix it that. i wait 1 day , i wait 2 day in the 3 days you write in the order will be 15h delayed RIGHT? i have already 3 days i said ok. and then? in 4-6h i belive i wait 10 DAYS. i show you again today they drop. what was excuse again ? i buy from another source AGAIN. I said ok and i show you.. 3 days ago 68.000 - 2 days ago 66.000 - today 65.000. That means even you refill it 4 days ago and 3 days ago and yesterday. They drop AGAIN.
    I understand , i was in your country in holliday including bali ( indonesia ) this kind of people i see in all you country ( if you need it i will send you some pictures with me from there ) All the Filipines have the same lame excuses if doesn`t work try to blackmail ( wich happen to me 1h ago ) even that doesn`t work you try to hit the person.
    My friend - you waist my time and energy. I will tell you again and again DISPUTE will continue. I give you customers details , you have my name email adress and home adress from paypal. go to the police.
    Was my last comment.
    Ouu. P.S you acused me i do with you what i do with another smmpanels .. in this situation i need a proof where we may see if i buy from them any service , if i speak with them , if i order from them. If not i hopely you get banned even if i have account in any of that smmpanels. Show us just one
     
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    If Moderators from here will say Top4smm Scam have right, then i will complay and i will cancel the dispute. Till then , the dispute will continue.
    AND REMEMBER Boy - i told you 3 times already, finish your job if they are stable 72H everything will be closed.
     
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    Update - Views dropped again from 65.531 to 62.447 doped.png
     
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    I saw the name cosminalexandru above, if he is the same person as nicknam then I can 100% confirm that he is a scammer, he took services from us at instant-fans then opened dispsutes for everything months later
     
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    Show a proof. my paypal , my name , my adress or something :) dont defend your friend. And my name are Alexandru and Costinas - Curios think are that isin`t my name :) my name are Costinas Alexandru :) ( top4smm ) may conform from paypal. By the way i dont take all my money back , i let him 125usd if i belive. I wait 12 days to get my views boy :)
     
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    You have 1 address.

    Str. T..............................1 ap.7
    450125 Zalau
    Zalau
    Primary address, Billing address

    https://www.paypal.com/myaccount/settings/addresses

    https://www.paypal.com/myaccount/settings/email/add
    Email address
    • [email protected]
      PrimaryI delete my home adress.
    • Try harder next time , even know my name :) my credit card its verify etc...
    • Next time when you bring friends of yours Top4smm offer them real details :))))))
     
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    It is interesting that you made an account here less than 2 months ago and you're so active with 142 and being involved in shitlists, I don't know top4smm, if anything he sells the same services as me so I have no reason to help him out, but I know that you are a thief called Cosmin Alexandru or Stan Cosmin (username on the site was majesticrol), you took views and followers for the following links then opened disputes for $125 after delivery

    https://www.instagram.com/corina_vladescu/
    https://www.instagram.com/ianna_novac/
    https://www.instagram.com/mokhtarkhaled/?hl=ro



    You are a scammer and should be banned from this forum, thankfully my time is a lot more valuable than $100 so I didn't pursue your customers to tell them about you, but you will hopefully not scam since your information is now public :)
     
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    Show a proof , the first video you take it from wich i post on forum, the second i dont know. Show a proof of payment with my name , a dispute with my name dude
     
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    Update. We won disputes on Paypal.

    As we said before customer opened a dispute for every single payment he did even when all orders were completed. We have shown all proofs to Paypal and today we got message that all payments are cleared.

    Proofs:
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    @Instant-Fans
    Thank you for coming around and showing extra proofs. Yes, sometimes we have to face with very very difficult customers. Hope you could back your money on a PayPal side.
     
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    Him doesn`t show any proof you put fake tracking id.
     
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    It's too much even for you. Why do you need to lie like this in a face? All transaction ids are real. You know it yourself. You also got emails from Paypal that disputes were closed and money back to our account.

    We are ready to show our Paypal dispute history to a moderator using TeamViewer. There will be written all ids and information to which side Paypal decision was made.
     
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    You win paypal dispute because on this kind of problems paypal doesn`t have eligible buyer protection , that`s why you win, you even doesn`t answer to dispute. And you dont didn`t answy because you know that. I still wait your friends to you a proof of purchase by me on he`s panel. I dont care soon or later another people will open a shitlist against you and we will speak then. If moderators check your paypal dispute they most to check what was your answer on that kind of matter. I call the paypal and they say clear and i quote: Paypal doesn`t have eligible buyer protection on this kind of problem. Moderators may call him too. End of this shitlist. Thank you for your scam. P.S see my videos? i get my views straight up :) + more you scam.
     
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    We did answer the dispute with all same information which we have shown in this thread.
     
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    Shitlist resolved as the member in question has been banned for being a Previously Banned member and removed from BHW.
     
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