Ha, What a joke you guys seriously. Everyone here making a new thread by the hour talking about how their SERPS have been hurt, or how their SERPS have gone up. Alas, everyone now has started making DAILY threads talking about their SERPS today and the next day and their serps vs EMD. I'd like to make this clear that: No one reveals their website they actually got "hurt" and not enough people reveal their blackhat websites to even prove a large enough sample size to be statistically valid. Therefore; you cannot account for the following variables that we consider blackhat techniques: You don't know the quality of their link scheme You don't know the quality of their articles You don't know the ratio of do/nofollow links You don't know the PR of ANY of their backlinks You don't know the anchor texts they used and variety You don't know their link velocity You don't know their website age You don't know their if they are Ded. Hosted or Shared You don't know basically anything except what they "express" they have done - which isn't very detailed most of the time. Also No one knows how Google Algo actually works, so these daily posts could mean NOTHING to their efforts. EXAMPLE - No one knows if Google could put websites after a new algo crawl into a new category that would reposition a website as a probationary website (a new website) and would simulate again (even if aged) what we consider as a "google dance" that typical new websites would have. Everything on this forum is simply conjecture. The techniques expressed here on this forum and laid out are fact. The quality of a person processesing these techniques are subject to due diligence. So finally - if you're not implementing techniques and documenting them religiously, everything on here is simple opinion; ****NEWS is the font I chose is clearly not large. Yes, that's about as valid as my serp movements.