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Separate C Class IPs - Are they worth the cost?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Micallef, Mar 10, 2011.

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Are separate C Class IPS Necessary for Effective SEO?

  1. Yes - Google will devalue links to a target site if from same/similar IP group.

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  2. No - Google doesn't really look at IP groups when determining link value.

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  1. Micallef

    Micallef Supreme Member

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    I would like to measure the feeling here on the forums, as to whether paying for separate C class IP addresses is a worthwhile SEO investment.

    Rough pricing is $4000 per year for 100 C class IPs.

    We all know the theory - Google will not trust back-links from websites hosted on the same or neighboring IP groups.

    So in order to trick Google into thinking our fake websites are providing genuine trustworthy links, we need to place our websites on separate IP groups.

    What is your opinion on this - does the IP issue still matter?

    I am sure I am not the only one who would like to learn more about this.
     
  2. sarkark21

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    Hi Mate,

    I am not sure about the cost for running 100 C class ip...but i am sure you can get the benefit. The more diversified like u get...the more value you get in google eye's for sure. and even if you go to the market and try selling blog post on these c class ip..i hope you wilt the investment back in 2-3 months only....

    So go for it ...!!
     
  3. nat3r

    nat3r Registered Member

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    make sure your IP's are in different locations

    most "SEO Hosting" services are crap
     
  4. TheDominator

    TheDominator Newbie

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    That's extremely pricey. I've never paid more than $1000 for 256 different class C's.
     
  5. alexandervich

    alexandervich Regular Member

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    How do you get that many IP's for that price...
     
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    I'm still not sold on the whole IP thing. Just look at how many sites Hostgator has on their shared servers ... And most hosting providers do it like that. So Google would devalue a whole lot of links like that ...

    Does anybody have some tests behind this theory?
     
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    What company do you use?
     
  8. Micallef

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    This is interesting.

    But isn't the answer that huge shared servers have various IPs per server?

    Also, it's not just the individual IP Google would look at - it's the IP group.

    It's all statistics - as soon as more links than could be statistically expected are found to be coming from too localized a group of close IPs, Google would start devaluing those links.

    Question is - does it actually do this, and does anybody have any evidence at-all..
     
  9. businessbira

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    In my opinion, the less footprints you leave the better. Best case scenario it may be not necessary today, but who knows what will happen in the future. Maybe Google will change its algo and catch up.

    For long term, sustainable ventures you should avoid this risk and go for different C class IPs.

    Make sure all your sites make at least 1 dollar/day on average and you should have all of your expenses covered.

    It's like a chess game. You have to think 10 moves ahead.
     
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  10. dragondani

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    It depends of diverse factors, for example if you get 100 consequtive ip...it does't works,and for 4000$ dollars...a bit expensive.
    But you can do a good SEO strategy using diferent sites in diferent(and not consecutiveses) IP.

    But the question is if you need soo much Ip...I mean, every IP needs some quality content and a little SEO effort (build backlinks an so) are you sure yo could fill all the 100 IP with enought good work in them?
     
  11. Micallef

    Micallef Supreme Member

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    Some good points.

    I would probably go for 50 IPs.

    1000 unique articles (50-100 per site with some variation) is very affordable over the course of 6 months or so, which would age the various domains to different degrees.

    Automated backlinks for 50 sites over that period is also very achievable.

    With content and backlinks, you can be sure that they're helping your SEO in most cases, and so it's a worthwhile investment.

    However, if you can't be sure that it's worth forking out for separate C classes, you could be spending hundreds of bucks a year on something which may not be helping at-all.

    All said and done, I will probably go for the C classes. As businessbira has pointed out, nobody knows for sure if it matters, but investing content and backlinks on close IP groups which may be ignored for that fact is too big a risk to take.
     
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    What about just differentiating hosting providers? Go with a few different ones, have some sites hosted on shared account. You'll also get IP diversity and it might be cheaper.
     
  13. ExtraWinner

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    C class IPs are important, but only in some cases. There is a fashion for people using them whenever you can, even if you don't have to.
    99% of people is using them in wrong situation.

    I always do small trick on my hosting - to keep my IP of high quality I let every 50 websites one guy to host for free authority website with high PR and huge Google value ;)
     
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    It completely depends on your situation and the importance of covering your tracks. For example, JCPenney didn't cover their tracks well and paid the price.

    Check out skynethosting.net for A, B, and C class IP's for cheap.
    It is a bit of a hassle to setup up domains with them, but for the price it is great.

    Also, if you plan to interlink your websites, check out arkayne.com
    It is a link sharing social network... pretty much it'll link the posts to all relevant posts in your network. To throw google off, you can add random peeps and share links with them.
     
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    You asked the wrong question, Micallef. Google doesn't penalize you for having links on many sites on same IP. It just gives you a better trust rank for having them from many C-classes, IPs, domains.

    I think it helps a lot yeah. However I am struggling to find a good SEO host that fits my complex no-footprints requirements.
     
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  17. Micallef

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    Update:

    I have come to some conclusions about SEO hosting companies.

    1) Most of them have only terrible reviews online. Have yet to find more than a couple of probably-fake positive reviews for any SEO hosting company, and multiple "stay away!" warnings from angry reviewers.

    2) You have to do some serious research to find out if you have got true SEO hosting with no footprints. If you find out you haven't after paying, a refund is unlikely. Also, you don't know what other disreputable sites are hosted next to your site, unless you fork out for dedicated servers.

    3) The cost would be fine if you could be sure of good service, but I have concluded that you never know what you're getting.

    Therefore, I have decided to go with separate small, cheap hosts around the world.

    It works out at around the same price as SEO hosting if you do your research.

    The drawback is organization - I've just made a local page with all the cpanel access links, not so confusing as it happens.

    If anyone can find a decent seo-host though, let us know. Would be nice to have it all organized under one roof.
     
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  18. NapsteR

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    What if we use free hosting services? like blogger. I there are at least 50 free hosting websites are there. Since this is not our main site and we dont care about the server speed and all I think it can be useful...
     
  19. Micallef

    Micallef Supreme Member

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    I have made large free hosted blog networks.

    They are definitely helpful, but when you are investing time and money in content and backlinks for these sites, it's pretty risky.

    This is because the sites you make can be shot down for any number of reasons - spam, host going down etc.

    I have lost quite a number of sites this way. That's why i've decided to move over to using sites I control for building networks.
     
  20. silvertroll

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    I would probably do the same thing instead of you. By the way, do you want to form your own self hosted network because of the new Google algo that devalued various backlink methods (blog commenting, web 2.0 and etc.) ?