SEO Powersuit is suggesting Market Samurai is lying

nikao · Jan 31, 2012

Just got this email from SEO Powersuit commenting on the apparent many question they get after Market Samurai stopped working and their message this was due to a Google change.

Basically they blame market samurai for lying and bad software design:

The thing is, what is proclaimed a Google's technical change doesn't look so and has never been confirmed by anyone outside Market Samurai team

So the actual reasons for the fail are assumable and lie in a strategic error at the early stage of designing the software architecture.

The complete message:

We're getting 100s of worried requests from users so we decided to explain this web rumor.

Rumors of a drastic Google algo change started spreading after another SEO software house officially announced their software stopped working with Google. What Market Samurai told its users is, "Several days ago, Google made some significant technical changes to its services" which made it impossible to work with.

Now hundreds of ex-customers of Market Samurai and our own users write to our support: Is SEO PowerSuite working? Is it safe to buy SEO PowerSuite license now when other tools are failing to work?

The answer is YES, your software is working and will work with all search engines (Google as well, until the end of Google.) We are able to guarantee that SEO PowerSuite is the safest SEO software to invest in.

So - right, SEO PowerSuite keeps working. The thing is, what is proclaimed a Google's technical change doesn't look so and has never been confirmed by anyone outside Market Samurai team. Our team of search engines experts confirms no changes to Google algos - and the speaking evidence for that is the seamlessly working SEO PowerSuite.

No other reasons for Market Samurai's software failure have ever been officially named. However, more realistic reasons were suggested by their former users, assumed by many SEOs on all kind of Internet forums - and never commented on by the Samurai representatives. So the actual reasons for the fail are assumable and lie in a strategic error at the early stage of designing the software architecture. Our experts say, the estimate of fixing such error to restore an SEO tool to a fully working condition is about half a year.

Seeing that now Samurai is planning to switch to Bing instead of Google, we assume the estimate is right.

So let us once again disprove the rumor: Google made no changes and nothing happened to it at all. More to that, whenever changes to Google happen in the future, SEO PoweSuite will keep working seamlessly.

As many know, for 7 years on the market Link-Assistant.Com software has been working reliably. And we can guarantee reliable work of all SEO PowerSuite tools in future, with a team of engineers and analysts monitoring search engines every day.

So if you've ever been choosing between SEO PowerSuite and another software, or if you see your other SEO software is facing problems now or any time later, it's time to make the safest investment and order SEO PowerSuite.

Best regards,
Link-Assistant.Com Team

kazhkaz · Jan 31, 2012

I got that too and I think that this is absolutely true

Gary Becks · Jan 31, 2012

kazhkaz said:
I got that too and I think that this is absolutely true

What it sounds more like to me is a ploy to continue generating sales and possibly steal sales from market samurai's current/past customers.

nikao · Jan 31, 2012

But if this is really true... can you believe the stupidity of Market Samurai to do a thing like this?

I mean, it's not that their clients are on average 'stupid' as it comes to things Google related....

wanfirdaus · Jan 31, 2012

Or market samurai is planning to charge more with 'new' tools

Future · Jan 31, 2012

How can this not be true? Powersuite, Traffic Travis, MNF and most other keyword tools still work with google, while Market Samurai is switching over to bing, its right there for anyone to see.

The truth is they did make a error in design. Market Samurai did most things on their cloud servers, so the end user did not have to worry about proxies, ect, While good for the end user, their Business Model of a One-Time Fee could only last but so long as their client base grew. They said they pay 5 Figures a month for there servers.

While I applaud them for wanting to make the end users life easier. They should really dump some of the proxy use on the end user and stop using the cloud for most things. Its killing them because of their business model.

Dn100 · Jan 31, 2012

Future said:
How can this not be true? Powersuite, Traffic Travis, MNF and most other keyword tools still work with google, while Market Samurai is switching over to bing, its right there for anyone to see.

The truth is they did make a error in design. Market Samurai did most things on there cloud servers, so the end user did not have to worry about proxies, ect, While good for the end user, their Business Model of a One-Time Fee could only last but so long as their client base grew. They said they pay 5 Figures a month for there servers.

While I applaud them for wanting to make the end users life easier. They should really dump some of the proxy use on the end user and stop using the cloud for most things. Its killing them because of their business model.

But perhaps then that is why there coding of the software isn't suitable and needs re-doing. It could be the software isn't capable of allowing users to run it on their own proxies with a complete overhaul of the code.

I don't know, but is the only thing I can think of.

missmyrah · Jan 31, 2012

I got the same message too. I also got an email from MS with detailed info on what they plan to do to make things right --- with the extra charges they are passing on end-users in order to access most of their previously free things. I guess it may be time for me to look at seriously at another software.

Future · Jan 31, 2012

Dn100 said:
But perhaps then that is why there coding of the software isn't suitable and needs re-doing. It could be the software isn't capable of allowing users to run it on their own proxies with a complete overhaul of the code.

I don't know, but is the only thing I can think of.

But they are not going to redo it, they are swapping to Bing. And will start charging a monthy fee to use certain parts of Market Samurai. If they were going to fix it, they would have announced that instead of losing customers in waves.

moon_t · Jan 31, 2012

Also received this email and I have to say I'm inclined to believe what the guys at Link Assistant say. I subscribe to their rank tracker and spyglass modules and it hasn't had a single hiccup as far as I can see.

Additionally I have traffic Travis and again this is working fully with Google and I have not seen that it has been updated in the last couple of days.

Add to this list the Keyword Blaze tool which is working fine and we have covered all the bases. Keyword research, Rank Tracking, Link Analysis, Competition Analysis, all working just fine.

Looks to me that the architecture on MS could be royally screwed and lack of foresight on their part has put them in the situation they are in now.

Had 2 years good use out of it so probably won't ask for a refund unless the tool stops working without the monthly subscription.

roamer · Jan 31, 2012

Well, I got the same email, and I think the 'analysis' is right. The part about MS being based upon an unreliable method was even mentioned by KabanaSoft (an SEO tool developer) at the MS thread:

Source:

Code:

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/400338-market-samurai-abandon-google-bing.html

KabanaSoft said:
MS no doubt was incredible software when it came out, as RebelMaster said if you bought it years ago then it should have more than paid for itself many times if you used it right.

What i see as the main problem with MS is that their core architecture for gathering data is fundamentally flawed...and was bound to fail at some point...their problem is that instead of performing data gathering from the user's computer...they instead created massive servers that would gather the data on behalf of the users (servers that would constantly hammer google with requests day in and day out)...while this sounds nice on the outside that some other server is getting the data for you, it was only a matter of time before Google would catch on to this system and shut it down.

Google has recently become much more sophisticated in detecting bots (request timestamps, click tracking with timestamps, security tokens, and much more) which is evident in what happened to MS...basically the new stuff they have implemented is pretty much able to decipher between a human and a bot unless the bot is able to mimic exactly what a human does.

(... miscellaneous product name dropping removed ...)

The bottom line is that until MS adopts a model where they gather data from the user's computer that mimics what a human would do, they will never be able to get accurate data for their 400K+ user base. Google is just too good these days at detecting this from servers that do it on behalf of thousands of users.

Sucks that Google is a company that was built by scraping data from others, yet they are now doing everything they can to make it as hard as possible to get their data.

Just my 2 cents.

However, it's never been a wise move to expose your competitors' faults directly, unless you plan to bring them to the ground for good. I believe the makers of SEO PowerSuite are doing this only because they perceive MS to be critically wounded, and they have a very reliable product, albeit a bit expensive.

Add me to the group that was close to buying MS. Now I'm glad I chose TTravis and SEO PowerSuite from the getgo, but a little sad because MS has a few things going in its favor

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