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scrapebox for company site? safe?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO Tools' started by lolx, Oct 13, 2010.

  1. lolx

    lolx Registered Member

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    hi all

    Ive been reading a lot about scrapebox and have had it recommended to me a few times. I am currently focusing on trying to promote 2 sites, both my companys', who i work for as a webdesigner. I'm volunteering to do some SEO stuff for them as an experiment and i really dont want to mess up by getting the sites slapped by google.

    The sites have never had a lot of backlinking activity go on for them; theyve mostly been static, but are not new - they've been around a few years.

    I'll be making a blog on a seperate domain to rank for the same keywords I want the sites to rank for, and directing traffic from that blog to the sites. For the blog, I'll use scrapebox services and probably SENuke too and others - I dont mind that one getting sandboxed, it's not affiliated to my company, won't be branded to it, and it will mean the company site doesnt get affected.

    BUT i want to do some stuff directly for the company site at the same time.. so, is it safe to carry out backlinking stuff with scrapebox directly to my company site? Or should i not do this, and only use such backlinking tools for external sites and squidoo lenses etc designed to direct traffic to the company site?

    Thankyou - this forum is so helpful.
    Emma
     
  2. youssef93

    youssef93 Senior Member

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    I certainly wouldn't do that but instead, use scrapebox and other hardcore link building tools on satellite, web 2.0 website and test different strategies on them so if one dies, I've learnt something new and I haven't lost a client. Others here may argue that if the domain is authoritive enough (age, content, current ranking..etc), it may endure direct blasts. I would agree with them and probably give it a try if it was MY domain. But a client's? I wouldn't do it.

    For me, the types of links I would do would be MANUAL blog commenting, profile creation, social bookmarking...etc because one: software footprints, if any, are eliminated and two: quality over quantity rule, less quantity required THEREFORE less suspicous, more naturally looking links. :)

    Hope this helps.
     
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  3. lolx

    lolx Registered Member

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    Thankyou - very helpful, and i think this thread clears up a problem a lot of newbies like me encounter and back off SEO immediately (directly blasting links to the site being promoted) thanks very much.
     
  4. hatblack

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    You must consider that blackhat method will be effective only for a moment until Mr. G knows the number of spam from these methods and will not be counted again as a search engine optimization. On the other hand in SEO, we usually do trial and error method.
     
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    delete, double post
     
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  6. powforlife

    powforlife Junior Member

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    I have been using bit.ly urls for posting comments and the links have been sticking, still safe without the hassle of managing 1000's of 2.0 properties. Or just manually comment on Harvested high PR URLS. Scarpebox is a very powerful tool read about it as much as possible before using it
     
  7. tontonz

    tontonz Newbie

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    I certainly wouldn't use it on the direct website. Especially anything remotely BH. People would be able to pull the email/phone details off the website to complain
     
  8. stradivari

    stradivari Junior Member

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    I respectfully disagree. I've been using SB creating direct links with NO problems even for clients of mine where reliability was a critical factor. I can't but say good things about using SB this way. Two vital recommendations that proved to be mandatory requirements for me.

    - DON'T PING THE BACKLINKS. Let G discover them naturally and you're safe as I've always been for ALL my sites.

    - Avoid like the plague going from 0 to blasting 300K, but this is common sense, ain't it? Everyone will surely realize that when a legitimate website posts an interesting article (as it happens to some of my legit clients) it's not uncommon to be DIRECTLY linked by hundreds, sometimes thousands of other blogs/sites.

    There CAN'T be an algorithm (or group or combined algorithms...) that penalizes a few thousand links over a "reasonable" amount of time, [sarcasm]with the time variable > 55minutes (xrumer blasts anyone? lol)[/sarcasm]

    Serious bottom line: Direct link with moderation, don't ping your backlinks and you're fine.
     
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  9. MarketerMac

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    This. Forget about G hating you, think about lots of bloggers hating the company you represent. It just takes one really angry one who calls your client all day long to make you loose that client.
     
  10. lolx

    lolx Registered Member

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    Thanks for the alternate view stradivari, I see your points here they are understandable even from just a logic point of view rather than an SEO point of view. Can i ask - to do this with confidence to even your clients sites - you must be an experienced SB user? (Just asking as I think its important for me to put this into context -- I would be really new with SB, so would it be as safe for me, sorta thing? Im not a total idiot, and can use common sense, but I guess there are niggly things about using it that you just have to pick up over time, or little techniques that work the best etc etc..)

    -- Thanks also MarketerMac, this was my primary concern about doing anything that showed any affiliation to the company and getting it wrong, thanks for reinforcing, very good point i think especially for 20 year old me who's only been there 2 months :D
     
  11. Yukinari84

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    Automation tools like SB can be used for any purpose.

    If you want to be aggressive, use it to promote your feeder sites, but there's no reason you can't use it to do less aggressive tactics.

    It's not the tool that causes problems, it is the use or misuse of it.
     
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  12. youssef93

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    Well, you've got a point, here, however, I think the OP's situation is different. I believe her current clients have commercial, corporate websites that are indeed uncommon to be linked to directly. That's why I was gonna suggest that her clients run a blog on a subdomain or a directory, for example, giving a good excuse for the sb backlinks.

    There is another point. As a newbie, it's easy to mess things up with sb so that's another reason to steer clear from using it on the corporate site.

    In addition to all that, MarketerMac made a very important point - angry bloggers. Give it a little time and soon you'll find the domain on spam lists all over the internet, problems with webhost..etc..etc.

    It'll differ from one person to another, I guess. But if it was me and my site as I mentioned earlier I'd do all what you had suggested.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    You can make company blog on blogger and free wordpress and then link to all internal pages of those two blogs from SB comments.
    Client (company) can always tell that they didn't make those blogs.
     
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    Ya I do agree with you .
     
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    Use common sense , link is link , and every link which is placed in anchor text has its value
     
  16. lolx

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    Thanks so much for all the insightful posts and differing views everyone, all very very helpful.

    Ithink, from this useful feedback, i may have planned a basic strategy.. which would be to:

    1. make 2 seperate blogs on 2 seperate external keyword domains on different servers to the company sites.
    2. Then use SB and other tools (probably pay for other people to do it first off) to link to these blogs. Make these blogs autoblogs. Follow a good guide to making a wordpress autoblog to make sure all my stuff is right.
    3. After a while of posts and backlink building (about a month maybe?? or however long it takes for it to rank??), start adding links in blog posts and on blog pages to the company websites (not the homepage though, i read this does not look natural to google not sure if thats right)
    4. At the same time, create a real blog in a subdirectory of the company websites.
    5. Post unique self written content centered around keywords, say maybe 1 post a week. Each post would contain a link to an important site page.
    6. Build backlinks manually to these posts. Get things like angela/pauls backlinks to help me figure where best to post links.

    Is this all a good idea or is any of this not useful (eg maybe steps 4-6?)
     
  17. flaktrak

    flaktrak Power Member

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    Just scrape with scrapebox find high pr sites and leave intelligent comments. It's not G that I worry about when posting with scrapebox it is akismet.

    Anyway I use scrapebox aggressively for sites I am using straight out BH on and do the above method I mentioned when trying to fly under the radar.
     
  18. youssef93

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    I'd say either or for now. Not a really good idea to start throwing out blogs here and there because each and everyone one of them needs unique, fresh content and each and everyone of them needs promotion. My approach is not to even create external autoblogs, for now.

    My approach would be using web 2.0 satellite sites and article directories and linking to the corporate sites from there. For example, post a relevant article in an article directory and in the author box, some info about the company "So and so specializes in so and so at competitive prices + add contact information and of course, link bank]. Here is why I prefer this method:

    - Links come from a huge range of different IPs not just posts in one blog.
    - The authority of web 2 sites and directories will make it easier to rank the content.
    - Possibility of testing out different linking strategies, even aggressive ones, unlike if you have one blog because if its deindexed, you're done.
    - Looks more professional, your links come from established, popular websites.
    - Ability to promote a wider range of keywords since with a blog, you're still limited and have to be focused on a main keyword or topic.

    So my plan would go like this:
    1. Properly research a wide range of keywords.
    2. Outsource or write focused content.
    3. Spin or better yet, write more content.
    4. Submit to countless web 2 and article directory sites.
    5. Use a good linking strategy to link them together (random is best in my experience, closed linkwheels are easy to track)
    6. Rank your web 2 articles.

    That's it, later on, I'd create a company blog on their domain or otherwise. :)
     
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  19. lolx

    lolx Registered Member

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    Thanks for the detailed reply youssef93 :) and major thanks to everyone here, very knowledgeable indeed, bhw = brilliant forum, and v welcoming even to us idiot newbies :)

    Sorry it took me a while to respond to this thread, have been a bit ill!

    Okay, this seems like a logical way to start too and less work for me so all good heh :)

    Can i ask some follow up qs - I can pm, but thought I'd ask here just incase any other newbs like me have similar questions. Sorry, i have lots - but thats just naturally me, sorry..

    To begin i think i have the idea here; basically, what you do is go on high quality article sites, look for a keyphrase where other marketers havent exploited much and you can get to the top of the article list for that site for that search term. You post a unique, good quality article there linking to your website subpage. You then set up other web 2 properties linking to that first good quality article. Then do it again til you have a few main 'satellites', and little 'satellites' for the main satellites? Am i right? Ok here are the questions, bearing in mind the above idea is corect.

    1. " because each and everyone one of them needs unique, fresh content and each and everyone of them needs promotion." -- I guess the article sites also need fresh content too? But perhaps less, because it can be spun? (please trash my spin idea if you like -- just time/money conscious as this is, until i can prove it works, my own expense in time and cash)

    2. I'm guessing these web 2 properties that I will use as satellites for my site will include things like hubs and squidoo lenses - am i right? if so, is it worthwhile to syndicate thru ping.fm or similar, to post to all of these at the same time, unique content? (I ask because, this way, i am not posting unique content to each and every 'satellite' but i am saving time and can also therefore write my own little posts)

    3. How many should I have? Should i stick to say.. the same few, or just post a post on a new one each time? I know you can do either of these in pretty much same amount of time with things like SENuke.. which brings me to q 4..

    4. Is it worthwhile using software like SENuke for posting the articles (except the high quality article sites which need the non-spun articles, and manual posting), and Scrapebox to backlink to the articles? Or should all of this be manual?

    5. When people say the best linking strategy is a random one, shall I still keep in mind keyword themes? For example, my company offers both print and website design services. Would it be a good idea to link one print design themed article to a print section of the website, and then do all my corresponding backlinks with print design keywords, and all my little web 2 properties that link to the main articles (say 2 or 3 on ezine articles, that then link to the main website) also have print themed keywords/anchor text in them?
     
  20. jasontm

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    Yeah I'm a bit confused now myself about pinging your external sites like squidoo now.

    I'm in the same position with a website I don't wanna get slapped.

    My thoughts from tutorial videos I've seen and other tutorials I've seen in this forum it's self are:

    1 You build your website.

    2 You create external websites like (squidoo, hubpages, etc...)

    3 You ping these websites (step 2) using something like pingler dot com

    Would this be a good way to get started or is it bad to ping sites as mentioned above?

    Or is that just with scrapebox links only?

    Please clarify this and if you can add anything above or even come up with something better. It would help out alot!