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Scammed for the very first time.

Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by ytr191, Mar 22, 2013.

  1. ytr191

    ytr191 Regular Member

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    Today, I lost my scammers virginity and was scammed on the BHW Dropshipping and Wholesale section.

    Dan2Friend told me that I would receive a refurbished Iphone 4s with all original accessories.

    I did not.

    Instead I received a USPS Priority Mail Flat Rate Envelope, with a paper inside saying "I need to verify your address. Dan2Friend Store".

    Edit: I already have opened a dispute with paypal. Just waiting for a refund.

    Here is the paypal statement, Chat logs, and a picture of the envelope.




    Chat on Skype
    Code:
    Are you here?
    [3/18/2013 2:03:01 PM] willie saladin: yea, I will be shipping your order in a few.
    [3/18/2013 2:04:40 PM] ytr191: Im guessing you got my paypal shipping address
    [3/18/2013 2:05:30 PM] willie saladin: Yes, 9914 Park st Lanham MD 20706
    [3/18/2013 2:07:22 PM] willie saladin: thats the address we received on our paypal
    [3/18/2013 2:07:31 PM] ytr191: k
    [3/18/2013 2:07:38 PM] ytr191: good
    [3/18/2013 2:08:38 PM] willie saladin: I'll be here all afternoon and I have to do the drop off in few
    [3/18/2013 2:09:48 PM] ytr191: Do you work for a big time company?
    [3/18/2013 2:09:55 PM] ytr191: Or is it just a few employees?
    [3/18/2013 2:12:31 PM] willie saladin: a family company with 10 employees
    [3/18/2013 2:14:32 PM] ytr191: Will you have more phones stocked by the end of the month?
    [3/18/2013 2:14:42 PM] ytr191: I noticed you only had 18.
    [3/18/2013 2:15:21 PM] ytr191: If we keep this up your going to need alot more.......
    [3/18/2013 2:15:26 PM] ytr191: A whole lot more
    [3/18/2013 2:17:02 PM] willie saladin: we get them occasionally but right now we have these although what you think about the rest of the prices.
    [3/18/2013 2:21:51 PM] ytr191: They seem fair.
    [3/18/2013 3:00:44 PM] willie saladin: USPS Priority tracking number: 9505 5102 8758 3077 5311 26
    [3/18/2013 3:25:53 PM] willie saladin: it should be a few as you may know for traking to appear as in always, but your package was shipped.
    [3/18/2013 3:26:22 PM] willie saladin: Just letting you know we're running low because people are buying
    [3/18/2013 3:27:04 PM] ytr191: Well im not surpised
    [3/18/2013 3:27:16 PM] ytr191: Im just glad i could get in on the action
    [3/18/2013 3:30:06 PM] willie saladin: thanks for trusting us though, I have got some people just plain rude about when they never dealt with me, I mean I accept PayPal. That should tell you something lol.. it's not like I'm asking you to send me money lol! but hey, is their loss
    [3/18/2013 3:31:12 PM] ytr191: Well I personally didn't lose anything doing this
    [3/18/2013 3:31:37 PM] ytr191: I paid with a customers money
    [3/18/2013 3:31:55 PM] ytr191: If all went sour, I would just do a chargeback and refund the customer
    [3/18/2013 3:32:29 PM] willie saladin: So, that is your address correct? the one we shipped to?
    [3/18/2013 3:32:32 PM] ytr191: Yes
    [3/18/2013 3:32:41 PM] ytr191: 9914 Park Street, Lanham MD
    [3/18/2013 3:32:45 PM] willie saladin: yea
    [3/18/2013 3:32:53 PM] willie saladin: okay
    [3/18/2013 3:32:57 PM] ytr191: When it gets here im just going to reship it to the customer
    [3/18/2013 3:33:15 PM] ytr191: I told him its gonna take 3-4 for shipping and handling
    [3/18/2013 3:34:04 PM] ytr191: I would like to develop a long term business relationship with you and your company
    [3/18/2013 3:34:24 PM] ytr191: You seem legit
    [3/18/2013 3:34:35 PM] willie saladin: hey, in some places you could make money of this but in some you can, glad to see you are though. Where did you sold it, because we get no sales on ebay, and we have to add the fees with ebay and paypal to the listing
    [3/18/2013 3:35:00 PM] ytr191: How much feedback do you have?
    [3/18/2013 3:35:05 PM] willie saladin: 1050
    [3/18/2013 3:36:06 PM] willie saladin: It's my brothers and family account not me personally, but been listing items since uff awhile when long term feedback don't get me wrong we do sell but not like we should
    [3/18/2013 3:36:49 PM] ytr191: Well, i could be of service to you then.
    [3/18/2013 3:36:59 PM] ytr191: I could list your items on ebay
    [3/18/2013 3:38:29 PM] willie saladin: we tried TWF but the sellers there have bigger stocks and the fees to sell are like $120 and i read somewhere that the forum is full of international people but mainly uk and EU, so thats not an alternative..
    [3/18/2013 3:39:52 PM] willie saladin: okay but do what about the fees? Also, whoes account will we use for example PayPal because we already have this attached to ours
    [3/18/2013 3:40:07 PM] ytr191: Ill cover all of the fees
    [3/18/2013 3:41:07 PM] willie saladin: Okay, thats good, I mean we do dropship but if everything goes well I think I can sell other things.
    [3/18/2013 3:41:37 PM] ytr191: I can understand why you wanted to verify my address
    [3/18/2013 3:41:45 PM] ytr191: BHW is a bit dangerous
    [3/18/2013 3:42:48 PM] willie saladin: We never have disputes, I mean I personally neve seen one single dispute on our account and we have Payments Pro so our fees are smaller
    [3/18/2013 3:43:35 PM] willie saladin: We are also thinking of adding bill me later, we got the panphlet last week
    [3/18/2013 3:43:53 PM] ytr191: I don't like bill me later
    [3/18/2013 3:44:02 PM] ytr191: Its just a credit card
    [3/18/2013 3:44:10 PM] ytr191: with higher fees
    [3/18/2013 3:44:24 PM] ytr191: I can see why its good for the seller
    [3/18/2013 3:44:40 PM] willie saladin: yea
    [3/18/2013 3:44:46 PM] ytr191: If I were you, i would add it
    [3/18/2013 3:46:19 PM] willie saladin: It's under my name but I will add it, the good thing about payments pro is we have the terminal and the paypal here, almost all fuctions and PayPal is constantly on phone with us about risky buyer
    [3/18/2013 3:47:13 PM] willie saladin: Anyways if you could do that I'm willing to do more business even helping you with lowering the prices on some deivces, just let me know.
    [3/18/2013 3:47:31 PM] willie saladin: like tablets and such..
    [3/18/2013 3:48:08 PM] ytr191: Great!
    [3/18/2013 3:48:35 PM] willie saladin: we have macbooks used and refurbished as well, we get new ones but those are sold mostly to a company in cherry hill NJ, those people buy tons of our stuff a couple the runs a warehouse down there
    [3/18/2013 3:49:24 PM] ytr191: I guess I should start listing a few more.
    [3/18/2013 3:51:04 PM] willie saladin: Let me know as you can see we ship pretty fast, we have a business account with USPS and they never failed us, so you're looking at some good feedback.
    [3/18/2013 3:51:31 PM] willie saladin: Plus we always use paypal
    [3/18/2013 3:51:47 PM] ytr191: This just keeps getting better and better
    [3/18/2013 3:52:12 PM] ytr191: You almost sound like the perfect supplier
    [3/18/2013 3:53:01 PM] ytr191: I just wanted to say, it was good doing business with you
    [3/18/2013 3:53:15 PM] ytr191: And i hope we do alot more in the future.
    [3/18/2013 3:53:39 PM] willie saladin: I keep getting tons of request but the people just go offline lol! then why they added me lol
    [3/18/2013 3:54:05 PM] ytr191: Oh trust me your gonna get lot of money out of BHW
    [3/18/2013 3:54:21 PM] ytr191: Everyones looking for what your selling
    [3/18/2013 3:55:55 PM] willie saladin: Yea, post some listings, if you want once you get the orders let me know and I will seperate your stock and even shipping it straight to your customers, just let me know, we constantly buy stock and refurbished it here.
    [3/18/2013 3:56:30 PM] ytr191: Also do I have to buy the MQO?
    [3/18/2013 3:56:48 PM] ytr191: or just like 2 or 3 at a time?
    [3/18/2013 3:57:19 PM] willie saladin: we have new stock but we cannot buy Apple iPhones new of brand from Apple although we are authorized resellers, we still can buy tablets though and macbooks from Tech Data or Softchoice
    [3/18/2013 3:58:28 PM] willie saladin: Okay, you can list one at a time you don't though just you, because it sounds good that you are willing to help sell this stock. But as a sample to BHW I only do samples and maybe one if they need to.
    [3/18/2013 3:59:45 PM] willie saladin: But if you list like 3 per se of any products in the list, you don't have purcahse the MQO of 2-5,
    [3/18/2013 4:00:46 PM] willie saladin: what I mean is you can purchase one of any, you don't have to buy the bulk
    [3/18/2013 4:00:53 PM] willie saladin: just you.. :)
    [3/18/2013 4:01:12 PM] willie saladin: Im chatting with another person lol, the guy is from germany
    [3/18/2013 4:01:26 PM] ytr191: He speaks good english?
    [3/18/2013 4:01:36 PM] ytr191: being from germany and all
    [3/18/2013 4:01:49 PM] ytr191: Do you ship to germany?
    [3/18/2013 4:03:08 PM] willie saladin: yea, he speaks good english and yes, I ship to UK, ireland constantly
    [3/18/2013 4:03:14 PM] willie saladin: and EU in general
    [3/18/2013 4:03:21 PM] ytr191: Hey im going to list 2 more of your apple iphone's 16gb refurb
    [3/18/2013 4:03:35 PM] ytr191: Can i get a reserve in your stock
    [3/18/2013 4:05:01 PM] willie saladin: With reserve you mean put aside? yes, I will put aside your stock though
    [3/18/2013 4:05:18 PM] ytr191: k
    [3/18/2013 4:05:24 PM] willie saladin: just let me know which items you listed and I will set em aside before i leave my office
    [3/18/2013 4:05:52 PM] ytr191: Apple iPhone 4S - 16GB - Black (Factory Unlocked) Smartphone-refurb
    [3/18/2013 4:05:55 PM] ytr191: 2
    [3/18/2013 4:05:56 PM] willie saladin: We close at 5 but I leave at 630,
    [3/18/2013 4:06:01 PM] willie saladin: eastern time
    [3/18/2013 4:06:47 PM] willie saladin: okay good, if you decide to list more just let me know so I can dash through WMS
    [3/18/2013 4:07:14 PM] ytr191: So can you drop ship these?
    [3/18/2013 4:07:42 PM] willie saladin: yes, your order is on the way so yes.
    [3/18/2013 4:07:47 PM] willie saladin: so these two?
    [3/18/2013 4:07:55 PM] ytr191: yep
    [3/18/2013 4:08:00 PM] ytr191: once i get buyers
    [3/18/2013 4:08:07 PM] ytr191: ill send you the payment and address
    [3/18/2013 4:08:49 PM] willie saladin: great, Im always on due my laptop is always and when i get home
    [3/18/2013 4:09:15 PM] ytr191: Im always on too
    [3/18/2013 4:09:24 PM] ytr191: my computer runs 24/7
    [3/18/2013 4:10:19 PM] willie saladin: The guy from germany just order, thats three people thus far
    [3/18/2013 4:10:47 PM] ytr191: Im not surprised
    [3/18/2013 4:10:56 PM] ytr191: Iphones are a really hot product
    [3/18/2013 4:11:27 PM] ytr191: I wish I owned Apple!
    [3/18/2013 4:11:36 PM] ytr191: Don't you know what i mean man..
    [3/18/2013 4:12:01 PM] ytr191: Its the most profitable company since microsoft
    [3/18/2013 4:12:25 PM] ytr191: What's even more funny is that steve jobs is dead
    [3/18/2013 4:14:52 PM] willie saladin: Dude thats all we buy here apple items, and lathough we buy microsoft software and the surface win pro8, which we recently purchase they don't sell as fast as apple items
    [3/18/2013 4:15:14 PM] ytr191: Theres some kind of magic in Apple products
    [3/18/2013 4:15:46 PM] ytr191: Maybe its there sleek design
    [3/18/2013 4:15:58 PM] ytr191: or just the price makes it look valuable.
    [3/18/2013 4:16:50 PM] willie saladin: The models they are always coming up with new one and that makes it better for resell.
    [3/18/2013 4:18:26 PM] willie saladin: I laugh at people that tell they have contantly stocks of iphone 5? When it's impossible unless you are a premium reseller for apple to buy them and even so you will require a big corporation which in turn you will not be selling new up-to-date iphones lol!
    [3/18/2013 4:19:33 PM] ytr191: Because apple comes out with a new iphone almost every year. lol
    [3/18/2013 4:19:37 PM] willie saladin: I buy one or to of these company in cherry hill, and they buy stuff from us as well and they never sell it on ebay, they go straight to non-profit companies.
    [3/18/2013 4:21:09 PM] willie saladin: I got three copies of iphones 5 in my store, my brother has 5 and we are a chain-shop and it does not sell unless is ebay, is the marketplaces too that help promote these devices dude
    [3/18/2013 4:21:58 PM] ytr191: Well you have a point
    [3/18/2013 4:22:13 PM] ytr191: the marketplace makes an item what it is
    [3/18/2013 4:22:39 PM] ytr191: If the market didn't like Apple products and liked microsoft stuff better
    [3/18/2013 4:22:53 PM] ytr191: We would all be trying to sell Zunes!
    [3/18/2013 4:22:59 PM] ytr191: lol Zunes
    [3/18/2013 4:23:20 PM] ytr191: Microsoft's bad attempt at recreating the ipod
    [3/18/2013 4:24:07 PM] willie saladin: Ohh those things are horrible lol! zune sucks, I used to hate 'em and we could never buy em of customers because, they ether were broken or something lol
    [3/18/2013 4:24:43 PM] willie saladin: or just really used units that cannot be refurbished and that of, when it came to selling them it became impossible
    [3/18/2013 4:24:48 PM] willie saladin: lol
    [3/18/2013 4:24:56 PM] ytr191: I wonder who makes Apple products?
    [3/18/2013 4:25:08 PM] ytr191: What chinese manufactorer
    [3/18/2013 4:25:30 PM] willie saladin: they are assmbled in china,
    [3/18/2013 4:26:01 PM] ytr191: If you could get a contract with them..
    [3/18/2013 4:26:10 PM] ytr191: you would be rich 3 times over
    [3/18/2013 4:28:15 PM] willie saladin: yea, but apple has the parts purchased of different manufactures and they are assmbled by a company own by apple I think. For example the new iphone 5 camera part is manufacture by sony I hear.
    [3/18/2013 4:28:31 PM] ytr191: Really?
    [3/18/2013 4:28:37 PM] ytr191: I didn't know that
    [3/18/2013 4:29:51 PM] willie saladin: they get the OEM and they like the out side shell is made with dimond CNC's manufactures in china and they assemble in another warehouse altogether
    [3/18/2013 4:30:32 PM] willie saladin: must parts is why they can duplicate them in china
    [3/18/2013 4:30:47 PM] ytr191: Then they call it "Apple" and sell it for way more than its worth
    [3/18/2013 4:31:13 PM] willie saladin: of course , is all about the brand
    [3/18/2013 4:31:48 PM] willie saladin: which i don't care, as long as i can still make money with these lol!
    [3/18/2013 4:32:01 PM] willie saladin: it would be good to purchase of apple though.
    [3/18/2013 4:32:21 PM] ytr191: I agree with you on that
    [3/18/2013 4:32:44 PM] ytr191: i gotta go
    [3/18/2013 4:32:54 PM] ytr191: going to school
    [3/18/2013 4:33:04 PM] ytr191: Im a college student lol
    [3/18/2013 4:33:15 PM] ytr191: trying to get my BA
    [3/18/2013 4:33:50 PM] ytr191: Talk to you later bro
    [3/18/2013 4:35:28 PM] willie saladin: okay kool
    [3/19/2013 5:37:24 PM] ytr191: Hey ive got two more orders
    [3/19/2013 5:37:36 PM] ytr191: get back to me when you can.
    [3/19/2013 5:37:50 PM] ytr191: Also send me an invoice for 2
    [3/19/2013 5:38:09 PM] ytr191: Apple iPhone 4S - 16GB - Black (Factory Unlocked) Smartphone Refurbised
    [3/19/2013 5:44:42 PM] willie saladin: I went over my merchant payments pro monthly limits yesterday, let me see if i can send you an invoice from my brother's account he has a regular account.
    [3/19/2013 5:45:28 PM] willie saladin: I had 10 orders yesterday and some on ebay and I wen over my monthly limits and I cannot go over those limits.
    [3/19/2013 5:46:50 PM] willie saladin: my new monthly limits restart on the 25, so I can only process 55000 in online and ternimal oders,
    [3/19/2013 5:47:48 PM] willie saladin: we've been using it in our store too much we just started using our RBS terminal with citizens because of the pypal here.
    [3/19/2013 5:48:56 PM] ytr191: Wow
    [3/19/2013 5:49:31 PM] ytr191: You made 55000 orders in one month?
    [3/19/2013 5:49:41 PM] ytr191: Are you guys rich or something?
    [3/19/2013 5:52:15 PM] willie saladin: between our two repair shops in Boston and here in weymouth, nd the products we sell, and services in addition to the ebay orders and my brother uses it in new york as well we amount to 55000 right now I'm over that so we got a call from paypal saying we can't go over, my step father has one, I can use his but we started processing with RBS from BOA and the fees are better with citizens bank
    [3/19/2013 5:54:09 PM] willie saladin: just really a heads up, rightnow they already let me process 2k over so I need to slow down,
    [3/19/2013 5:54:41 PM] willie saladin: Payments Pro is different from our a regular paypal account we get monthly and Per transaction limits
    [3/19/2013 5:55:00 PM] ytr191: lol a limit on how many sales you can make
    [3/19/2013 5:55:10 PM] ytr191: How stupid can paypal get
    [3/19/2013 5:56:27 PM] willie saladin: PayPal has it's own merchant services do it just like a merchant account for us, but if I process more they will limit our sales. We should get an increase soon tho, we had em since 2009
    [3/19/2013 5:57:08 PM] ytr191: congratulations on the 55000 sales though
    [3/19/2013 5:57:15 PM] ytr191: keep up the good work
    [3/19/2013 5:57:35 PM] ytr191: Whatever you guys are doing it sure is working
    [3/19/2013 5:57:50 PM] willie saladin: yeah, we usually get 50k or less but we started selling on Bonanza as well and we are getting sales there too
    [3/19/2013 5:58:40 PM] willie saladin: we also get like 15k a month of sales from a company in NJ that buys lots for our stocks
    [3/19/2013 5:59:16 PM] ytr191: So you guys just repair broken apple products pretty much?
    [3/19/2013 6:00:30 PM] willie saladin: computers, consoles, pc, phones and we also sell tons of other electronics within our stores, we had a third store but we close it.
    [3/19/2013 6:00:58 PM] willie saladin: what ever I can get
    [3/19/2013 6:01:48 PM] willie saladin: We are also valued added resellers for IBM and HP, so we get cpu peripherals for ver low of the margins
    [3/19/2013 6:02:37 PM] ytr191: Seems awesome man
    [3/19/2013 6:03:16 PM] ytr191: I guess having a brick and mortar store does count for something
    [3/19/2013 6:03:24 PM] willie saladin: yea, you don't mind if my stepfather sends you an invoice?
    [3/19/2013 6:03:42 PM] ytr191: Nah I don't mind at all
    [3/19/2013 6:03:51 PM] willie saladin: yea, we have tons of review online dude and people call from yelp always asking for our services
    [3/19/2013 6:04:28 PM] ytr191: Well your services are for something very popular
    [3/19/2013 6:04:31 PM] ytr191: I can see why
    [3/19/2013 6:04:52 PM] ytr191: Does your father run the business?
    [3/19/2013 6:06:58 PM] willie saladin: My father does operate a 3PL company tho in New york, my mother had these stores since the 90s and it was my grandfather's business.
    [3/19/2013 6:07:53 PM] willie saladin: My step father just knows about this repairs he just to work for dell at some point
    [3/19/2013 6:08:08 PM] ytr191: Family owned and operated ever since the 90s?
    [3/19/2013 6:08:18 PM] ytr191: Thats like 30 years
    [3/19/2013 6:08:49 PM] ytr191: In a few years you guys should consider incorporating
    [3/19/2013 6:09:23 PM] willie saladin: Yea, my grandfather changed the DBA 3 times already through but LLC works better right now
    [3/19/2013 6:09:42 PM] willie saladin: My brother is expanidng and we thinking about merging stores.
    [3/19/2013 6:10:06 PM] ytr191: btw how old are you?
    [3/19/2013 6:10:15 PM] willie saladin: 25
    [3/19/2013 6:10:25 PM] ytr191: Wow,
    [3/19/2013 6:10:32 PM] ytr191: Your pretty young
    [3/19/2013 6:10:42 PM] ytr191: Im 18
    [3/19/2013 6:11:16 PM] willie saladin: no way, I would of picture you for 30 or something but nice to see other youngings on this industry
    [3/19/2013 6:11:58 PM] ytr191: Most people at your age would just be finishing college
    [3/19/2013 6:12:05 PM] ytr191: Trying to find a job
    [3/19/2013 6:12:29 PM] willie saladin: after college I did this as I can't see myself working for nobody
    [3/19/2013 6:12:54 PM] ytr191: Thats the spirit!
    [3/19/2013 6:14:06 PM] willie saladin: I will send you two invoices later, and i will let you know when he sends them but i talk to him and let him know you were waiting for them. Once we do that I will have those ship tomorrow morning.
    [3/19/2013 6:14:18 PM] ytr191: k great
    [3/19/2013 6:14:29 PM] ytr191: Ill send the addresses in the paypal note
    [3/19/2013 6:15:28 PM] ytr191: Also what did you major in?
    [3/19/2013 6:15:32 PM] ytr191: In college?
    [3/19/2013 6:17:16 PM] willie saladin: BA in economics from North Eastern
    [3/19/2013 6:17:22 PM] willie saladin: in Boston
    [3/19/2013 6:17:46 PM] ytr191: 4 year degree?
    [3/19/2013 6:19:14 PM] willie saladin: Bachelors degree of art in fields of economics, 5 year unniversity at north eastern
    [3/19/2013 6:19:30 PM] ytr191: Wow very impressive
    [3/19/2013 6:19:40 PM] willie saladin: North eastern is a five year school here
    [3/19/2013 6:20:25 PM] ytr191: Im sure you studied day and night lol
    [3/19/2013 6:21:11 PM] willie saladin: All day dude, I had no time what so ever not even to get high on the weekend or go to the bar the undergratute was tough
    [3/19/2013 6:21:53 PM] willie saladin: But is worth it though no bull, once you pull through and the mid terms pass you all good
    [3/19/2013 6:22:15 PM] ytr191: Ive recently just started college
    [3/19/2013 6:22:23 PM] willie saladin: where at in MD?
    [3/19/2013 6:22:36 PM] ytr191: Prince Georges Community College
    [3/19/2013 6:23:09 PM] ytr191: It really does beat Maryland U
    [3/19/2013 6:23:18 PM] ytr191: 5k a year vs 18k a year
    [3/19/2013 6:24:31 PM] willie saladin: Yea, Maryland U is like not even compared to Umass Boston, but thats good CC is where you get better knowledge of college.
    [3/19/2013 6:25:00 PM] ytr191: Yea, you have a point about that
    [3/19/2013 6:25:10 PM] ytr191: College is nothing like High School
    [3/19/2013 6:26:42 PM] willie saladin: In boston is the best place to study and network trust me. residents of MA vs Out-of-state kids get better prices
    [3/19/2013 6:27:33 PM] willie saladin: just like any school, but networking is better in Boston or NY, I would recommend pursuing somthing in that range after community college
    [3/19/2013 6:27:40 PM] willie saladin: just my two cents
    [3/19/2013 6:28:21 PM] ytr191: Well you are the college expert
    [3/19/2013 6:28:26 PM] ytr191: lol
    [3/19/2013 6:29:18 PM] willie saladin: pursue two years and tranfer those credits to an out-of-state college and you could look at better networks and better feeling of school.
    [3/19/2013 6:30:01 PM] willie saladin: I'm not even from MA dude I'm from NY lol!
    [3/19/2013 6:30:15 PM] willie saladin: I move here when I was 14
    [3/19/2013 6:30:18 PM] ytr191: But what about the costs.
    [3/19/2013 6:30:30 PM] ytr191: Out of state is like 60k a year
    [3/19/2013 6:30:39 PM] willie saladin: better than comprared NY
    [3/19/2013 6:30:45 PM] ytr191: Im not made of money
    [3/19/2013 6:32:00 PM] willie saladin: lol! no the prices in Boston are way better than elsewhere, but per se you go into a maryland school is still not bad,
    [3/19/2013 6:32:10 PM] willie saladin: What are you studing now?
    [3/19/2013 6:32:16 PM] ytr191: Business Adminstration
    [3/19/2013 6:32:30 PM] ytr191: But i havent gotten into my major yet
    [3/19/2013 6:32:31 PM] willie saladin: So you're is business school
    [3/19/2013 6:32:36 PM] ytr191: Yea
    [3/19/2013 6:34:47 PM] willie saladin: umm ok, Umass Boston is really cheap and if you transfer to their Business College progam I'll guarantee tens times your money then maryland schools, just saying my friend from high school ended up at MDU and now his back at Umass finishing still, lose tons of credits and now is setback
    [3/19/2013 6:35:45 PM] willie saladin: but he started late as well, and while he tranfer he paid more at MDU
    [3/19/2013 6:36:15 PM] willie saladin: after they cancel his scholarship, which sucked for him the kid is bright
    [3/19/2013 6:40:15 PM] ytr191: Was it a pell grant?
    [3/19/2013 6:40:25 PM] ytr191: i heard if you fail one class you lose it
    [3/19/2013 6:54:42 PM] willie saladin: idk, I didn't get any fed grants so I can
    [3/19/2013 6:55:07 PM] willie saladin: can't comment on that but you can loose it I heard
    [3/19/2013 6:55:22 PM] ytr191: Did you get any scholarships?
    [3/19/2013 6:56:54 PM] willie saladin: naww I got B's, I wasn't as bright as my friend I told u about, I got accepted to NEU and my folks paid the five year school, I didn't mess up tho but My SAT help me get accepted into there.
    [3/19/2013 6:57:50 PM] willie saladin: my GPA was 3.2 in HS, and I still got accepted, and was going to apply at BU but is super expensive
    [3/19/2013 6:58:32 PM] ytr191: No loans?
    [3/19/2013 6:59:05 PM] willie saladin: Now i don't feel special but now looking at it if I had to take a loan I would be paying until I'm 40 lol!
    [3/19/2013 6:59:33 PM] ytr191: Its almost like a second mortgage
    [3/19/2013 7:00:26 PM] willie saladin: In MA you get state grants which help you pay towards college,
    [3/19/2013 7:00:46 PM] willie saladin: for BU hell ya
    [3/19/2013 7:00:49 PM] ytr191: Wow how generous
    [3/19/2013 7:01:17 PM] ytr191: The most you will get in maryland is a pell grant
    [3/19/2013 7:02:06 PM] willie saladin: yea, if you want to attend school and can't afford it MA resident get up to 5k for school if they qualify , I know people that got that much because their families did not make enough and they needed thees funds to pay for school
    [3/19/2013 7:02:22 PM] ytr191: Free money?
    [3/19/2013 7:02:22 PM] willie saladin: here you have to qualify for a pell grant
    [3/19/2013 7:02:29 PM] ytr191: Or loans?
    [3/19/2013 7:02:33 PM] willie saladin: yea, thats seperate from loans
    [3/19/2013 7:03:01 PM] willie saladin: real poor families get funds for school here
    [3/19/2013 7:03:42 PM] ytr191: I don't see why people are poor
    [3/19/2013 7:03:49 PM] ytr191: Its so easy to make money
    [3/19/2013 7:04:10 PM] ytr191: With ebay, Amazon, and your typical flea market
    [3/19/2013 7:04:52 PM] willie saladin: some people are ment to be on top chef, me hell no.. lol!
    [3/19/2013 7:06:57 PM] ytr191: I see what you mean
    [3/19/2013 7:07:29 PM] ytr191: someone has to be poor so you can be rich
    [3/19/2013 7:09:41 PM] willie saladin: right, can't take from the wealthy to equal the economy because then the folks that are rich make jobs for the folks that are poor, and there is no way in america a poor person can't become wealthy or reasonable welathy unless you just don't try.
    [3/19/2013 7:10:25 PM] willie saladin: my father paid my school but even so I would still find a way to pay and succeed,
    [3/19/2013 7:11:02 PM] willie saladin: unless i was born in Lao or Vietnam lol
    [3/19/2013 7:11:15 PM] ytr191: lol
    [3/19/2013 7:11:26 PM] ytr191: But your right about that
    [3/19/2013 7:11:34 PM] ytr191: Getting money in america is easy
    [3/19/2013 7:12:12 PM] ytr191: It just requires some hard work.
    [3/19/2013 7:15:46 PM] willie saladin: I know a guy that was born in Guatemala poor, his mother came here through the family and him too. The kid now works for google after a full  scholarship with Harvard and the kid is not even a citizen here. I know because he told this story himself at a convention for school two years ago. Dude that make other people born here look like shit
    [3/19/2013 7:16:30 PM] ytr191: It just alot of americans are lazy
    [3/19/2013 7:16:50 PM] willie saladin: lol
    [3/19/2013 7:17:07 PM] ytr191: We all know its true
    [3/19/2013 7:17:23 PM] ytr191: Everything just falls in our lap here
    [3/19/2013 7:17:27 PM] willie saladin: true
    [3/19/2013 7:17:37 PM] ytr191: Its like paradise
    [3/19/2013 7:17:51 PM] ytr191: Well not exactly
    [3/19/2013 7:18:15 PM] willie saladin: well you are at least made by some percentage in this country
    [3/19/2013 7:18:28 PM] ytr191: But America is like easy mode compared to all the 3rd world countries out there
    [3/19/2013 7:18:51 PM] willie saladin: your chances of being poor are slim, even if you hit a lotery ticket lol!
    [3/19/2013 7:19:07 PM] willie saladin: u didnt even meant to buy it and you are now rich. lol!
    [3/19/2013 7:19:23 PM] ytr191: Its hard to be poor in America
    [3/19/2013 7:19:28 PM] ytr191: but some people still manage to do it
    [3/19/2013 7:19:52 PM] willie saladin: if you are really poor we give you money and food stamps for the realll poor
    [3/19/2013 7:20:25 PM] willie saladin: and how other benefits, for exmaple in MA you get free healthcare if you qualify and I didn't know that lol!
    [3/19/2013 7:20:49 PM] ytr191: Free healthcare?
    [3/19/2013 7:20:51 PM] ytr191: Wow
    [3/19/2013 7:21:13 PM] ytr191: With the new Obamacare everyone gets free healthcare though
    [3/19/2013 7:22:15 PM] willie saladin: yea, but in MA resident get free healthcare through the healthconnector if you are really poor, I did not know that until a few months ago
    [3/19/2013 7:23:18 PM] willie saladin: I pay 95 mothly on healthcare insurance
    [3/19/2013 7:23:24 PM] ytr191: WOW
    [3/19/2013 7:23:30 PM] ytr191: Thats really cheap
    [3/19/2013 7:24:39 PM] willie saladin: yea, and thats Blue cross PPO, you choose your HCP, but in that said my familiy pays the premiums and balances because the health care isurance is through my job.
    [3/19/2013 7:25:36 PM] ytr191: Oh since your family owns a business you get healthcare through them
    [3/19/2013 7:27:23 PM] willie saladin: yea, well im employed so I get commissions and salary
    [3/19/2013 7:29:04 PM] ytr191: Must be nice to work for your family
    [3/19/2013 7:29:47 PM] willie saladin: that helps but I could be making more putting my degree to work
    [3/19/2013 7:29:58 PM] ytr191: Also, did you ever send that invoice?
    [3/19/2013 7:30:15 PM] ytr191: Ive got the money sitting in my account
    [3/19/2013 7:30:22 PM] willie saladin: no, I don't think he has yet. But i will remind him and get back to you.
    [3/19/2013 7:30:28 PM] ytr191: k
    [3/19/2013 7:31:53 PM] ytr191: Well ive got to get back to work
    [3/19/2013 7:32:02 PM] ytr191: Building a website for fiverr reselling
    [3/19/2013 7:32:22 PM] ytr191: Nice talking to you.
    [3/19/2013 7:32:35 PM] willie saladin: okay thanks
    [3/19/2013 7:34:01 PM] ytr191: thanks for what?
    [3/19/2013 7:34:03 PM] ytr191: lol
    [3/19/2013 10:55:22 PM] ytr191: I still need that invoice. Prefferably tonight or tommorrow..
    
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    Although,

    In the end..

    I think whoever Dan2friend really is,

    He is a dammed good scammer. I am honored to lose my scamming virginity to him.
     
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  2. MachineLord

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    Well youre lucky you paid via paypal..so you can get your money back!
    I hate scammers!
     
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    A mod should show up soon and will PM the guy. We'll see if he shows up to tell his side, but I'm sure he won't. His last activity was 2 days ago, and he probably knew someone was about to shitlist him.
     
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    Where are you getting scammed? I skimmed through the log, but didn't really see it?

    Looks like you two could've been on a date.
     
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    This is where he got scammed.....


    Instead I received a USPS Priority Mail Flat Rate Envelope, with a paper inside saying "I need to verify your address. Dan2Friend Store".
     
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    Hmm. It doesn't necessarily mean he got scammed. That could've just been a precaution by the seller. Although the lack of professionalism is there, due to the name being written in sloppy pen ink separate from the printed sheet, it doesn't confirm that it's a scam.

    It would be important to know if the OP has been trying to contact the seller and he's been getting ignored. I'd say that would solidify his case.
     
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    Issued Perm ban to dan2friend.

    No use of messaging him to reply here, as he Joined 15th match and left 20th march. I don't think he will bother about this account.

    At any chance, if OP received the product or response from seller, update this thread.
     
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    Maybe , maybe not. He did send something out which means he got tracking and surely uploaded that info. Its an old trick and most of the time the scammer does get away with it a few times. And then on to the next account. Sucks.

    Sorry for your ordeal here ytr 191 -

    It is amazing that people still believe that there is such a thing as iphones / apple products available for such a price that you can still make a buck on it.

    Why would he not sell himself ? You did sell very quickly for a higher price than he offered them to you - so why he did not sell himself ?

    There are only 2 kinds of apple products - the retail price kind and the stolen / snatched kind. Anyone offering an iphone for cheap and claims its absolutely legit simply is lying.

    People are lured into believing its legit coz PP is offered as payment method. Nothing is safe with PP. Even if paypal sides with you ( and i doubt it ) they may not give you the funds back if they can't recover any. And even if they do that, the scammer still got money out of it and you have a dispute from YOUR buyer on your account. And on and on it goes. maybe a neg feedback from your buyer for selling and not delivering. maybe the byuer insists on getting his/her iphone. Lots and lots of trouble.

    If you see someone offering apple products for cheap - run.
     
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    I opened a dispute in paypal, although I have yet to receive a response.
     
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    Hopefully you'll get your money back man
     
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    Might wanna delete your address from the thread....

    For INR (item not received) in the case where you receive an empty package, you need to call paypal and explain to them that you got an empty package. Otherwise their robot will just deny the claim because the packaging proved shipping.


    Don't ever believe someone who sends a package to "verify an address". He's just buying time!
     
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    dropshipping is usualy a scam on forums
     
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    bullsh!t, you just need to have some common sense. People dropshipping luxury brands/high end electronics at prices 50% below market price is usually a scam.
     
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    Scammers are everywhere use pp and kill them if they scam
     
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    Stinks that you got "scammed" :( Hopefully you can get your money back.

    I thought iPhone sales weren't allowed?
     
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    This is very sad story that even americans are scamming people like chinese conartists. Man am I shocked how they loose time with someone on chat just for 200 dollars. And even using verified paypal account. I just donĀ“t get it how he can get away with it when paypal will take that money back and return to the scammed poor guy. Really that does not make sense and wonder how he can get away with this. Too bad this is happening and also ruining my business lately because of these motherfu*kers who scam people. YTR191 are you from Europe or from the states like the scammer?
     
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    yup i had same problem , a bhw member sent me
    a payment via mail tracking . envelope was empty
    on arrival your lucky u might get a refund.
    i had to give this guy a service, even though i never
    got payed, mods found in his favor because of tracking
    and i couldn't prove envelope was empty ...
    dont ask how i felt about it..but i lost 360$
     
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    You should have refused the envelope and had it returned because you knew it wasn't your iphones. Now he has a successful delivery confirmation to your address. Good luck disputing this one.

    When dealing with eBay or PP items never accept a package when it's obviously not what you ordered. This is an old scam that still works very well. Most post offices, once you open the package will not allow you to return it. If in doubt then take the package to the Post Office and ask them to open it because you're 99% sure it's not what you ordered. If they open it and it's not what you ordered, they'll seal it back up and return to sender. Then delivery confirmation shows the package returned and not kept.
     
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    Some countries don't even allow you touch the package until it's registered as delivered. I don't know when people will start thinking before acting. Newbies who are here to sell have most of the time bad intentions. I never bought something from someone new but I've hired a few such users on other sites and I pay on results. When I buy a tangible item, I only do it from known sites like Dealextreme and Focalprice and when from Ebay I check the records of the user to make sure nothing shady is going on. My biggest purchase being of total $580. I never got scammed.
     
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    This Dan2Friend store, from the name itself sounds doubtful and amateur. Obviously a scammer in my opinion.